How so? They have their own people to worry about as well. It’d seem just as nonsensical to me if alliance leaders were suddenly showing concern over forsaken refugees.
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We did lose Benedictus. Although he didn’t have much relevance until cataclysm anyways so w/e.
You say that like it’s a good thing. What is the Alliance for? What is it’s purpose? No idea, no one has ever bothered to tell us. We simply exist “because”.
Through absence of storytelling perhaps. And don’t act like being a squeky clean goody two shoes is good characterization. It’s not.
Perhaps, but don’t expect me to feel anything but hatred towards someone who after helping genocide a group of people, are more scared that they will retaliate than they are remorseful over the act.
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I mean right now, until that giant hole above Icecrown gets fixed, the Night Elves can just come visit the souls in Ardenweald and say hi, just like Shandris did, or Ol’ Emma for that matter.
If an eldery Human woman can make the trip to Northrend and travel through the shattered helm gate to the Shadowlands to look for her formerly undead sons, Night Elves would have no problem.
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Then it’s up to Blizzard to portray that kind of exodus. Not that I have any hope that it will happen.
Yeah but consider the immediate context of what’s going on. World leaders on both sides have disappeared and the scourge is running rampant again. Going “yeah but those poor night elves that died two years ago” strikes me as utterly irrelevant and not the time to muse about how the horde screwed up yet again. Especially since Lor’themar’s next line is already praising Calia’s efforts and hoping that she can indeed do something to make Tyrande feel better. There’s not a whole lot more to be said, in my opinion.
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About that part. Every single one of those undead elves betrayed their people, and sided with the ones who killed them in the first place, so that they could kill even more. My opinion about them isn’t exactly warm. Or maybe it is, but not in a postive way.
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Honestly I just don’t think there’s anything that the story can do to believably make things better. In the book, Thrall made an apology on behalf of the horde; it was scathingly refused. The whole “bring me Sylvanas’s head” thing cannot be done without the horde taking Tyrande’s chance at vengeance away from her, so that will never have a truly satisfying ending (because if they don’t, that means the horde failed yet again and proves Tyrande right that their words are worthless). Rebuilding won’t paper over the fact that it happened in the first place, for the second time since the horde allegedly “redeemed” itself in WC3. The whole concept’s in the toilet.
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Oh.
My.
God.
Dude, he’s specifically talking about Tyrande, specifically about her quest for personal vengeance. He’s not even trying to address Teldrassil at all. Characters are allowed to talk about specific people on their specific missions without adding disclaimers about how bad they feel about Teldrassil.
W.
T.
F.
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And that’s perfectly fine. But don’t pretend that I should feel like he excudes sympathy over his misdeeds, because he really doesn’t. And don’t expect me to like him because of it.
Why would you feel that when he’s not even talking about it? Like… Dude. It’s things like this that just make it so hard to have a real discussion with you.
“Lor’themar commented about how angry Tyrande is without apologizing to randos over Teldrassil? Seems suss. Must be sociopath.”
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Because, what we are talking about, and what Amandis was talking about, was this
And i’m saying, he’s hoping for her comfort, for all the wrong reasons. He’s not doing it because he feels guilt over his actions, and lack off, but because he doesn’t want her to cave his miserable head in. That is nothing but cowardice, and proof of what he cares more about.
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Its may be a form of egoism, but it is really bad to hope for the best of your people?
Lor’themar’s duty is first and formost the bloodelves, thereafter the horde.
Tyrande right now is a dangerous factor for both.
I mean, he don’t need to be a selfless anduin/baine 3.0
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Except that isn’t at all what he said. That is literally you intentionally reading into it and deciding it’s fact.
I dunno. I know you try to see things from both sides, I know you’re not here as a bad actor. But sometimes the bias blinders are just so fully on that you make these leaps that make you look like a bad actor. It makes it hard to have a real discussion with you.
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Alright, how do you interpret this line
When he knows very well that he is part of the reason why she is like she is now, unless he is an ogre in disguise.
I can only see it from this angle. Tell me your.
No, but I sure as hell won’t feel like he’s remorseful over his actions with that choice of words. And if he isn’t remorseful I hope his next destination is the maw, with a one way ticket.
Simply as Lor’themar sympathetic understanding for Tyrande’s mission of murdering Sylvanas, and hoping it ends there for everyone’s good.
He’s not addressing why she is the way she is, because that wasn’t what he was talking about. Period. It’s not some kind of shade being thrown.
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That requires him to have forgotten his own part, and the Horde’s part, in why she is like that. I don’t think he is that stupid. When he says that he hopes her rage remains fixed on Sylvanas, he’s hoping that she doesn’t turn her gaze on the ones who helped her.
It’s not about shade. It’s about him having the memory and cognetive function to realize that if Tyrande stops going after Sylvanas, she will instead turn upon the Horde, for their part in her people’s slaughter. That’s atleast how I interpret it.
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Again, no. Because he wasn’t giving a full break-down of the war. He was just talking about Tyrande.
I’m bowing out. I can’t with you. Hopefully someone else, someone better with words than I can help you see how ridiculous of a leap this is.
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Then why not use any combination of words that doesn’t imply that he hopes Tyrande won’t turn her attentions to the Horde? Something along the lines of “I hope Tyrande is succesful in hunting down those she deems guilty” or “I hope her burden is ever so lighter with the blightcaller’s death”. A myriad of word combinations, and he manages to choose the only one that can be interpreted in a negative light.
Let me put it this way. What do you think he means when he says “I only hope the Night warrior’s rage remains fixed on Sylvanas.” Who else would it be fixated on? The Ground? The Sky? The Alliance? Elune?
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Honestly Lore’themar is the absolute least of any concerns and has consistently been written better and better every expansion, weirdly enough. The guy should be Warchief, at this point, given all he’s done and managed to do, in a strange irony he’s the only Horde leader I consider to be a good representation of pre-Cata Horde.
Him worrying about Tyrande going after his people at all is silly, since Tyrande hasn’t actually gone after any Horde at all since going Night Warrior, barring the initial quest, but I find it consistent with his character.
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Lor is by far the most pragmatic of the hordes leadership, always trying to put his people well being first.
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