Considering that the Horde was reduced down to recruiting a civilian militia to stand against the Horde rebels and Alliance forces that showed up at Orgrimmar there, those likely were among the last remaining of the Orc and Troll soldiers the Horde had, while the Night Elves’ got to keep their military strength despite their civilian losses.
If you say that Forsaken doesn’t have story in Shadowland because it make sense than why does Tyrande do??? The night warrior had nothing to do with the Shadowland until blizzard decide that her story needed to be dealt with.
The only reason is that they felt the urgency to deal with night elf story as night elf story was in a bad position. Than why couldn’t they also do it with the Forsaken who are also in a urgency of development???
You may try to twist everything but we all know the real reason… Night elf whined 10x more than forsaken fan so blizzard didn’t feel the urge to give them attention.
I highly disagree, given that the catalyst for this entire expansion’s premise revolves around Sylvanas herself. You don’t need some sort of convoluted narrative to fit them in when good ol’ fashioned revenge will do, especially when it’s against the faction leader who betrayed them. The forsaken should have been equally wanting to get back at her as much as the night elves themselves, but so far we’ve only seen that with Tyrande. And the undead representation has been filled in by the Knights of the Ebon Blade instead.
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I haven’t played Horde side for several years. Give me a break.
And I can spell their names. Geya’rah, and Kiro.
All i’m saying is, your factions isn’t dismantled, or in the process of being.
There’s more than one way to dismantle a faction. Come back to me when the Alliance has lost all but one of its Vanilla leaders and nobody can spell or remember the names of the new ones, and tell me if you feel dismantled then.
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I’m not speaking on behalf of Morghel, but I’m not talking about how Forsaken players feel. I’m just talking about how Blizzard presented the story. At worst, and a fair complaint, is that it is Blizzard writing that Forsaken losses don’t matter, during Shadowlands at least.
Why did they write it that way? As ever the case, Blizzard just didn’t want to. If you can get a more detailed answer from them than that then please feel free to share it with everyone.
Well, I am, so why are you responding to me by talking about how Blizzard presented the story?
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Because the expansion we’re in right now is Shadowlands.
Unless what you want is a short story going on about how the Forsaken are rebuilding Lordaeron and moving on from Sylvanas.
But Madhronir wasn’t talking about Shadowlands when he typed the sentence that I responded to. The only one bringing up Shadowlands in this sub-thread is you.
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That’s the thing. Personally, I don’t really care about the likes of Muradin or Tyrande, beyond her role on the current story. Magni and Varian are gone, Velen is irrelevant to the story both now and the forseeable future, as is Mekkatorque. I guess Genn is alright, but he’s not one of the og.
Let me ask you this. What do you think you lost by losing those characters, that the Alliance still have? what does these characters, who may as well be in a freezer somewhere, bring to the story?
I got a question, do the forsaken even have anymore Val’kyr? Or are they back where they started, drifting closer and closer to eternity. It will the writers use the scourge rampage as a means to swell the forsaken ranks with newly freed undead?
I did not respond to your response to Morghel. I responded to your response to Madhronir:
My bad, I mixed up the M-names. But we’re thinking of the same post.
And I didn’t respond to his first sentence. I’m not inserting an opinion on how Shadowlands is handling the follow-up to Teldrassil. I responded to the follow-up statement (paraphrasing), “Yeah, Forsaken suffered, but [reasons].”
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The point is, the night elf souls weren’t the only ones damned to the maw, what the hell makes them so much more special than all the troll,orc, Tauren, worgen, etc that died during the war and equally damned to the maw?
And lets come up with a better excuse than But muh genocide
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And I’m responding to Madhronir’s reasons, one of which involves the Maw, which is a key element of the Shadowlands. My response comes at your disregarding the rest of his post.
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Reasons for what?
And if you’re going to talk about the Maw, that applies to all souls that died during BfA (except maybe followers of Bwonsamdi), not just Night Elves.
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Reasons for why the Night Elf losses were presented as worse than the Forsaken losses. At least in the story itself.
I think it’s solely due to the sheer volume of them that went and how the story made a big deal of pushing it in your face over it; the genocide aspect could even be cut out and they all collectively slipped on a banana peel and died, but the game REALLY wanted you to feel crappy about all of the innocent civilians who simultaneously banana’d into super hell. As for the ordinary soldier in a war, Blizzard just didn’t really care to focus on them.
Edit: So unfortunately, the answer can only be “just because.”
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Is it that weird, that I think the Night elves, that got genocided have it worse in lore than the Forsaken, who did not? Is it really?
And before you start i’m not saying the Forsaken got it good. Because they don’t, they have it awful, and I feel for Forsaken players. But if I have to choose one who suffered more, lorewise, it’s definitely the Night elves.
You allways gets it Sarm.
But the bit that I responded to was talking about the position the two races (and their playerbases) were in story-wise. One the one hand, Night Elves–a lot died and went to the Maw, and that’s awful. No disagreement there.
But then M. followed that up with “Yeah, the Forsaken lost a city and a leader, but …” and then a lot of reasons why that shouldn’t bother Forsaken players. We’re not talking about the construction of the story anymore. We’re talking about which playerbase deserves love and attention from the devs and which doesn’t, either because they knew what was coming or because they deserve it for picking the bad guys, or because they just didn’t suffer as much, goshdarnit.
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