Dragon magic does weird things to trees on Azeroth I guess 
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That kind of funny because i was going to say how the night elf are using the genocide 10x more than Taurajo is being use. The word genocide is becoming a meme at this point for how much people use it as a excuse and argument.
The alliance starter the war in Stormh…
‘’ GENOCIIIIDE’’
The horde also suffer in bf…
‘‘GENOCIIIIDE!!!’’
The forsaken lost as much as the nigh…
‘‘GENOCIIIIDE!!!’’
Other race also need content not just nigh…
GENOCIIIIDE!!!’’
It start to feel like some alliance player are somehow happy that it happen because it now give them the moral high ground forever and it give them a excuse to ask for more content than the horde…
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I imagine if there was a word cloud for these forums, Genocide, Atrocity and Sylvanas would be the biggest words.
Happy New Year.
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This is why, people like me and Treng have lost all sympathy for the NE fans an I can honestly say I don’t care anymore.
I can say, for myself only, that I’m happy where the Night Fae story is going. All the claims NE fans have made are being dealt with one way or another and once SL is over, we can finally tell these fanatics to sod off.
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Totally fine with you disagreeing, it’s kind of a nebulous thing on my part and I could very well be treating it with more complexity than Blizzard themselves. Just please don’t misconstrue my arguments, I’ve said several times that Genn was dumb for doing what he did, regardless of the catalysts therein.
This doesn’t exist. Quote me Night Elf fans saying this. I dare you. Treng being hyperbolic and stupid doesn’t count.
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Also, I find a lot of the rhetoric here about ‘night elf fans’ to frankly be a bit… dumb, to be honest, and ultimately simplistic. Reducing people to ‘night elf fans’ or ‘Horde posters’ or ‘blue posters’ as if to other them only helps the writers get away with their current methods and doesn’t make them try and do better.
Am I a night elf fan? Yes, for over a decade, but I’m more concerned about the story overall, as I have stated many times, and the War of Thorns did more damage to the story and themes of the game than almost anything, then was swept under the rug for a while, and was, as I’m sure we all agree, blisteringly stupid as a narrative, especially in the context of what had come before.
I did not want the night elves to solo the Horde, and quite frankly I’ve seen very little rhetoric saying that, if any. In fact, we have people in this very thread who are also saying that ‘no, it wasn’t all the Horde’, which is wrong but of course invites more incendiary replies.
There are posters here who say Teldrassil was justified and want more faction war. Should I group all the Horde fans with them? Should I paint people as all being Erevien? That’s far from constructive and again, just lets the writers get away with their own subpar power fantasies more and more.
And to say that what was done to the night elf narrative was done to others is fairly lacking in objectivity. Remove the actions from context, flip it around, and have the War of Thorns happen to the tauren, and it’s still beyond what has been done to any race in the game by any foe, even the Legion. And that is dumb, to be blunt. And if people think that Blizzard originally planned to fix it in some way when it was initially done, well, I have a bridge to sell you.
We should be loud about what happened to the night elves because it’s a symbol of what the writing team thinks about the very story we talk about here. What happened in the War of Thorns could happen to any of the other races if they decide they want to get their rocks off at something ‘morally grey’ and edgy, and that’s bad.
Edit: Also, inb4 my use of tauren as an example has someone wittily going ‘you mean like taurajo???’. They’re somewhat comparable but the scale is far out of whack.
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That is exactly how A Good War presented the Horde. Morka represented the Horde’s commonfolk, and was introduced as so bored during peace time that she was drunk and telling war stories to relive glory and letting Alliance spies run rampant across Orgrimmar until Saurfang yelled at the Horde soldiers into actually doing their jobs.
- “You are being trusted with a great secret,” Saurfang continued, “and you’ve proved yourself capable. That deserves consideration. I am going to need personal guards for a new military matter. Would you like to be one of them?”
Instead of staying on the battlements for another year? Absolutely. Her confusion and anger settled slightly, but she didn’t know how to respond.
Saurfang changed the subject. “You said you have a mate. He is a blacksmith?”
“Yes, High Overlord.”
“Do you have any children?”
“Eight,” Morka said.
Saurfang’s eyes went wide. “Eight! By the spirits . . . I never had the courage to even try for that. Let me say this: you fought with me before at the Crossroads, and I hope you will fight with me again. Soon, just as then, you will witness a victory that will make your children proud.”
Morka spoke without thinking. “Will I get to kill some Alliance?”
“Yes, you will.”
“Then I accept, High Overlord,” she said.
The caravan rolled to a stop. All conversation and chatter disappeared. Nobody wanted to miss a word. Morka scarcely breathed.
“We are not going to Silithus. We were never going to Silithus,” Saurfang said in a clear voice. By now, none of the Horde seemed surprised to hear it. “We are embarking on a mission with a simple objective: we will conquer Darnassus, the home of the kaldorei.”
Saurfang gave them a moment before continuing. “The Alliance does not know we are coming. They have not prepared for our coming. Our first strike has already happened, and the night elves’ scouts in Ashenvale are in disarray. But that does not mean this will be easy. They will fight hard. They will fight desperately. But they cannot stand against the Horde!”
That broke the dam of shock. The entire caravan roared back at him, lifting their weapons and shaking their fists. Saurfang let the sound build and build, and then he motioned for silence. He got it in an instant.
“I cannot give you six months of peace in the desert,” he said with a smile. Then he raised his voice in a shout that shook leaves off the nearby trees. “All I can give you is a few days of glory! Lok‐tar ogar!
For the Horde!”
Morka and the thousands of her brothers and sisters of the Horde joined in. The reply did not shake the trees. It shook the hills.
It would shake the world.
“For the Horde!”
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Unless you’re talking about me - and I am the opposite of the mentality you are bringing up, since the War of the Thorns and the Darkshore Warfront follow up if anything showed rather explicitly that the Night Elves could indeed solo the entire Horde - I don’t think anyone actually brings up the Night Elf power fantasy besides you yourself and your fixation with it.
If anything, most people, both people arguing on the Horde’s and Night Elves’ behalf, are quick to bring up the whole “Night Elves almost won the War of the Thorns at an eight‐to‐one disadvantage with just Malfurion and mostly civilians” presentation.
No, I’m sorry, there should be no “but” in that sentence.
Yeah, new leaders so memorable you can’t even spell or remember their names.
Give me a break.
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Goblins and Forsaken are not the entire Horde.
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Lordaeron isn’t relevant to the Shadowlands specifically because the Forsaken were evacuated. If the Forsaken had lost civilians at Undercity as much as the Night Elves did at Teldrassil then there we’d probably be in the situation of saving Forsaken souls from the Maw all the same. But they didn’t, and they’ve ironically been left out of a setting about death because of it.
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Are you saying that the rescue of NE souls should also be faction-specific, or just the part about stopping Tyrande from blowing up?
Not sure what that has to do with my response to a guy saying “Yeah, your side suffered, but it doesn’t count.” I wasn’t saying anything about saving Forsaken souls or not.
I don’t think the fact that Lordaeron was evacuated is the reason why the Forsaken are completely left out of a setting about death. You seriously think they couldn’t come up with some other way to involve them if they had the will to do it?
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Maybe i wouldn’t put all the night elf fan together if they would stop all saying the same thing. At this point it is like if all night elf fan was the same person. I rarely see a night elf poster that go against other night elf poster.
This thread is even more of a prove. I just said that Ardenweal was more night elf than troll and poof! Nearly all the night elf poster of the story forum are here to say how much Ardenweal isn’t night elf at all and try to flag the thread.
When a certain night elf poster make a 100th spam thread about the night elf, what are the night elf fan doing? Telling him that it is to much? Nope. They are still there backing him.
Its the only race that does that to be honest. Even when Everien do those thread, a lot of horde poster and blood elf poster go against him.
And yet here you are saying the same thing as them. Horde race have been nothing but being killed since for ever. In Bfa along, we witness the downfall of two race with the forsaken losing a lot of soldier, their city and their queen who was everything for them. The zandalary lost the control of their continent, got attacked to the point of being super weakened, than go their navy attacked, more of their soldier killed, their city sacked and their king being killed.
In all wow history, we also had to deal with the already near extincted darkspear being nearly wipe-out by murlock, the goblin having their island explode killing a lot of them in the same time, the worgen losing nearly everything to the curse and while it happened before being playable, the blood elf are a race that faced as worst as the night elf and even worst.
Genocide is a thing that always happened in that game and we even take part of it many time. Night elf are just the first time that blizzard actually used the word because all they wanted for that expansion was ‘‘passion’’.
Darkshore was staffed with Orcs and Trolls and at least one token Blood Elf as well, but Malfurion, Tyrande, and the Alliance player killed them all before the Horde could send in reinforcements by sea.
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The Warfront is staffed by Forsaken and Goblins. So unless the token force of Orcs and Trolls from the quest chain are every last orc and troll remaining then no.
I actually have been told many time that it was plot armour that didn’t make the night elf beat the entire horde.
So no it isn’t just him at all. I still remember a argument that i had 2 or 3 month ago that i didn’t manage to retrieve. I remember Zair but it might be someone else specifically saying that the night elf were stronger than the horde.
Of course, than the NE fan base would to be forced to accept that a zone like Maldraxxus just screams Forsaken. And I don’t know we don’t see Apothecaries and Forsaken Necromancers there, learning from the experts on plagues and undeath.
It’s all about dem NE souls after all and Muh Genocide. Damn the other races who suffered just as much
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In that Morghel Madhronir was talking about how Undercity and Teldrassil were not parallel in loss, and my point is that the Shadowlands expansion reflects that.
Not the way Blizzard wrote the Shadowlands. Despite being undead, the Forsaken have never actually shown to know anything about the afterlife itself (unlike Orcs and Tauren and their communications with their ancestors). If anything, it could ironically be the Forsaken’s unique will power among the undead that made them unaware of the Jailer’s influence, unlike the Scourge.
You and Morghel Madhronir don’t get to tell Forsaken players that their losses don’t matter, or that they don’t feel their losses as much as Night Elf players do. Even if that’s what you clearly believe, deep down.
And once again, I’m not talking about what Shadowlands does or doesn’t reflect. I’m just annoyed at the whole “My pain counts and yours doesn’t” attitude.
So why didn’t they write it differently? Hint: note that I mentioned the will to do it…
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