You in fact do not quote, as there’s no evidence in lore that the Night Elves were aware the Tauren were being attacked by the Centaur.
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it was sarcasm but okay
like someone said above the night elfs had a lot of ways to know
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Speculation and headcanon does not make for lore.
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Yeah, I’m fine assuming they were just incompetent due to how new lore makes them look in retrospect.
Whatever loaded opinion people want to give on meta knowledge doesn’t really serve Daortha’s point, as the Tauren have never held any ill will towards to Night Elves for not being in the Barrens to save them from the Centaur.
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Sure, I agree, assuming that’s there point. I’m not really trying to serve that point. Just discussing the lore. Night Elves come off pretty bad either way. Just my interpretation of the lore.
I see no incompetence, as the Night Elves were focused on looking out for Legion influences, not territorial conflicts between mortal races, so discussing Night Elf lore, the Night Elves are perfectly fine for not having been involved.
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To either their own. For me, given how wide their reach, ability, and involvement are (forgot some even helped the High Elves against the Amani), I can’t interpret the lore as anything else. Incompetence or cruel indifference.
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And as the Night Elves had no involvement with the Barrens Tauren for ten thousand years after the War of the Ancients I find that there was simply a separation between the groups and they had no significant interaction with each other, and as such the Night Elves were neither incompetent nor had any cruelty towards the Tauren.
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And that’s fine. You’re welcome to your opinion.
But such separation given all this world trouncing, sensing, and involvement in numerous other things? That’s lack of awareness is grossly incompetent for them. Assuming they didn’t knew and weren’t being just shrugging their shoulders at it like jerks.
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As much as some people want to assume this is all on the night elves’ heads for not knowing, there is a much more reasonable assumption: The night elves knew the tauren were having issues with the centaurs. They assumed the tauren would either handle it themselves, or they would ask for help. Because as someone pointed out they were in Silithus, Feralas, likely too in Ungoro Crater and other places on Kalimdor, they probably were not constantly spying on their friendly neighbors because they were covering everywhere else. So they just didn’t know the tauren were so bad off that they couldn’t ask for help.
This isn’t incompetence any more than the police not already knowing about and promptly solving every unreported crime.
Just my two cents on the clustermuck.
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You ascribe to them competence or incompetence, yet give no lore pointing that the Night Elves were observing the Tauren and thus failed to see their plight, nor any lore reason for why the Night Elves would be observing the Tauren even if they had the means. If all you want is to discuss your opinion clearly you can do so, but it has little to do with lore.
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The Reason because this argument comes up is: “Why should the Alliance apology first”, you know, in most cases…the Alliance did nothing wrong before things went bad.
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this apply to you too
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I’m not saying they were observing the Tauren, not sure why you’re confused there. But the Night Elves either knew or did not know about the situation. And that lack of awareness of such a generally observable fact for a group with so many skill individuals that commonly go around the world investigating things?
I read those events as being pretty incapable. Amateurish for who they are.
My interpretation of the lore has as much to do with the lore as any discussion of it. This feels like that gatekeeping thing I mentioned you did before.
To be clear, I don’t think everyone should be aware of everything. Like, humans really had no way of knowing. I mainly judge it based on the various other things we’ve seen them do.
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And I’m saying because you’re not saying that they were observing the Tauren your declaration of competence doesn’t really hold any water. There’s no confusion here. You just made a conclusion that the Night Elves were incompetent and use your own opinion as evidence for your conclusion, but give no lore reason to why in your opinion the Night Elves would be observing the Tauren for the very basis of your opinion in the first place, regardless of their capacity to be able to do so.
All this feels is of you being overly defensive again, as you were before.
You can interpret the lore in any way you want, and you can claim people can have their own opinions all you want, but if you’re not actually going to back your opinions then it does not have anything to do with the lore as it is.
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No, I looked at the lore and came to that conclusion. I don’t really have a dog in the race as to whether they are or are not.
I don’t think I’d use the term observing. Failing to notice something when you possess such broad and great capabilities is incompetent.
Take a step back, this is a thing you do. Pretty sure I’ve seen it in other conversations. It isn’t really a trait I ascribe to basically anyone else on this forum. I think the only other time I’ve said someone is gatekeeping was in a Night Elf discussion where someone else said ‘if you like X, you aren’t a Night Elf fan’.
Can I get defensive? Sure. I’ll be the first to admit I can get really into a discussion. That doesn’t mean I’m always wrong on my reads either. Before it was ‘this has no relevance’. Now it is 'this is an opinion that has nothing to do with the lore.
It is just an unnecessary attempt to get the discussion stop.
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This is not incompetent. Having broad capabilities but having no reason to focus those capabilities in a direction that has not drawn attention has nothing to do with competence.
None of your self-quotes change that.
Nor have I ever said you are always wrong on your reads. I have agreed with you on many things. That does not mean I will not point out when your reads are wrong when they are, though.
And you do not seem into the actual discussion at hand, for that matter:
The only dog you seem to have is in defending your opinion because it is your own.
I’ve often found statements such as “To either their own” and “You’re welcome to your opinion” to be a halfhearted attempt at dismissal at best, so if anything perhaps what ruffled my feathers is the same as what has ruffled yours.
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I think if they’re so broad, it shouldn’t mattered if they’re focused or not given the size of what is being noticed or not noticed.
I mostly said it to be clear that just because I can be defensive doesn’t mean you might not have this habit.
As with the other topic, I find it relevant. Ultimately I don’t think it serves anything to try to police that. If no one is discussing it, it’ll eventually peter out. If people are, that’s what the forum is for.
Well I’m defending it because I think it is correct, of course.
Sorry, I meant to each their own. And probably. It just felt like you started off with throwing it out as a ‘loaded opinion’.
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Ysera isn’t alliance. Most of WoW, I was stabbing green dragons in the face- they were mindless red mobs in the woods and swamps.
Drust aren’t alliance either. They’re… not really anything, to be honest.
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