Also, being fair, is hard to talk about ancient or nature things in azeroth without bringing up Night Elves somewhere. Is kind of the groundwork in a lot of it.
Which i guess can be seen as THE problem itself from people that have their favorites races being other races.
Wow a troll dungeon, that you don’t get told about or led to during the leveling campaign, nor during any of the covenants outside of Night Fae
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Just realized every single part of Troll society is now an instance
Zulgurub, ZulAman, zulfarrak, zuldrak, atal’dazar, and now the other side. All five imperial cities and their afterlife. Instances.
Yep, a troll dungeon in Ardenweald, meanwhile night elves aren’t even mentioned in the questing zone yet this is a thread complaining about a dragon aspect being involved in the zone.
You deny Ysera is night elf lore, and every single Horde player disagrees with you, so that’s your problem beloved
They can make up whatever they want about Ysera, but she’s not night elf lore. The dragon aspects never helped the night elves against the horde, they also empowered Thrall so he could kill Deathwing. The aspects are their own thing, they don’t belong to a race.
I don’t get why something has to be anti-faction to to be considered part of a race’s lore or story.
Giving the night elves access to the Emerald Dream, blessing two of their magic trees, wearing a night elf shape because she loves them so much, helping them in the WotA, none of that matters. She didn’t help them fight the Horde, therefore no tied at all to the night elves.
You must also feel Nordrassil isn’t part of night elf lore; no anti-Horde biases, doesn’t attack them with wisps (I know that was Malf), cannot be night elf. Elune only became part of night elf lore in Darkshore when she finally helped Tyrande fight some Horde. Illidan too is not part of night elf lore; never fought the Horde. Likewise for Maiev.
You have a very limited view of the night elves and their lore. I get the feeling you’re not a fan of them at all.
What happened to Ysera immediately after she was killed in Legion?
The Naaru are their own thing but I don’t think of a Worgen or Tauren when I see one, I think of another race. The same can be said about a lot of lore figures/things.
At least we have the Echo Isles, though, right? And Zandalar, Dazar’alor too. Except there’s a raid for Dazar’alor… Ugh
I wish there’d be a patch zone featuring a bigger Other Side
And yes, I’m aware that there is/might be troll fatigue. We’ve had to deal with Orcs for two expacs, and then elves. I suppose it could happen
Not Jintha’alor! Troll society and not an instance! Just a former outdoor group quest environment that probably should have been an instance, but…
Not an instance! Gottum!!
(for the sarcastically impaired, this is sarcasm)
Night elves aren’t the only ones in the emerald dream, Tauren are there as well, also blood elves and nightborne have as much attachment to the aspects during WotA so that would be blood elf/nightborne lore as well. On a side note as well, Tauren also worship Elune (Mu’sha) so you would be saying that elune lore is tauren lore. This way of thinking is stupid, Ysera in the dream doesn’t have anything to do with the night elves, and not everything the aspects do is night elf or nightborne/blood elf lore.
Except the Naaru usually only really appear when it’s draenei related things, the aspects are there to defend azeroth and them appearing doesn’t mean night elves are related to it.
I believe people are talking about a single aspect. And I see both points here. Yes she is 100% neutral, but at the same time I totally get that when people see her the first thing they think of is Nelfs. Nothing wrong with Ysera at all but both sides here are fair and have a point. 
Yeah, it’s fine to think of night elves if she shows up, but her showing up doesn’t mean it has anything to do with night elves or is related to the night elves. Just like in Ardenweald, her just being there isn’t a night elf story.
Tauren are there as part of NE lore not on there own merit.
This might also be true but also is not elaborated on in much detail to my knowledge. Tauren’s relationship with Elune is generally defined in terms relative with nightelf lore not their own canon of beliefs about Elune.
Its literally night elf Nirvanna.
The night elves learned to go there because Ysera blessed them with the ability. Tauren were taught by the night elves. This still ties the night elves to Ysera, and not the Tauren. Just like if I teach you debate skills, you don’t call my debate coach your coach.
By your logic of “well, there are other people there too”, you also just ensured the night elves never lost Teldrassil; it was never “their’s”. furbolg and grell lived there too, so Teldrassil (and Darkshore, and Ashenvale, and literally every night elf zone in the game) couldn’t be tied to the night elves.
Nightborne and blood elves didn’t exist back them. The highborne did. The highborn were a part of the group the night elves were fighting against, with the night elves’ dragon aspect allies. So no.
Actually, using my logic paths, you’d look at who Elune interacted with, who had strong ties to her throughout their history, who she has expressly been stated to look upon as her favorites, and you’d come to the conclusion Elune was a part of night elf lore. An argument could be made that she’s also a minor part of tauren lore (they primarily worship the Earthmother, and Mush’e is described as more of a side thing), but primarily still night elven.
But your logic, the same one that excludes Ysera as night elven lore because Tauren also hang in the Dream, absolutely prohibits claiming Elune has any ties to night elven lore; how can she if the tauren also worship her? You took away their claims to every land they ever held, now you take away their goddess.
You make Sylvanas look like an amateur.
Crusader Bridenbrad begs to differ. B the logic you keep expressing, because they came all the way to Azeroth for a human, they cannot be draenie lore again.
First there’s the night elves, now the draenei. Are there any Alliance races you refuse to strip bare of their lore, you fiend?!?
I said “usually”, but thank you for making my point. The naaru showing up to save Bridenbard had nothing to do with the draenei, just like Ysera being in Ardenweald is not night elf lore. But by your logic you would say the Bridenbard questline is draenei related because a naaru showed up.
Nightborne are literally the original residents of Suramar during WotA, they are still the same people that existed back then, they were changed by living under the bubble for 10k years. They were the highborne, just as blood elves were.
Yes, there are other people there so the emerald dream is not only night elf lore and hasn’t been. The emerald dream is tauren lore as well now, and now troll and worgen lore.
Your logical path is actually everything Elune and Ysera do is night elf related, and it seems like she gives the night warrior power to other races on different planets, so that would be night elf related (and tauren related). Everything that Ysera does doesn’t isn’t always related to the night elves, just like everything Elune does isn’t related to them either. Ysera empowering Thrall is not actually night elf lore however you try to argue it.
We’re going to have to see how the campaign plays out. But the other side dungeon is clearly troll related and in Ardenweald.
Which is correct, and is also not an argument people are making. Nobody said Ysera is tied to night elf lore because she showed up in Ardenweald. We’re saying there is a wealth of connections tying her to the night elves, their lore, her interactions with them, and so forth. And therefore Ysera, a prominent character in night elf lore, adds to the other examples people have brought up that give Ardenweald a night elf vibe.
Only for the illiterate.
Correct. Which is why…
Ok, but nobody disputed that. I get that you’re having some major issue parsing the words “Ysera blessed the night elves, allowing them to enter the ED” and some how, through absolutely no logic anyone else can seem to see, interpret it as us actually saying “FORGET THE YSERA PART, CUZ WE’RE SAYING NIGHT ELVES ARE ALL THE ONLY RACE IN THE EMERALD DREAMSES!!”
Again, only to the illiterate. My logic follows the very simple, but far over your head, line of “if Ysera interacts with night elf lore, she is interacting with night elf lore. If she does this a few times, it’s fair to call her a part of it.”
This is far too complex a line of reasoning for you. I know. You somehow keep failing to understand, even reach for this rather simple logic. And yet, you continually attempt to rebuke this reasoning by… Using this reasoning.
I’m wondering if I said “1+1=2”, would you counter with “no way, that makes no sense at all, because 1+1=2 you fool!!”
Or will you go back to your older reasoning, that because Ysera didn’t fight the Horde, she was erased from the night elven lore? That if a character intersects with more than single race, they are wiped from both races lores?
Mara, please. Take a few minutes, collect your thoughts, and pick a line of logic that is coherent within its own argument.
inb4 “no you”-type response
The thread is about Ardenweald being a night elf story because Ysera is in the zone, despite her having nothing to do with the night elf story in Ardenweald, which is my point. When she interacts with the night elves that is night elf related, this has nothing to do with the night elves. So you are saying that the Ardenweald story with Ysera is not a night elf story, just that she gives off a night elf “vibe”.