You missed a group. San’layn. Whom the Venthyr are nearly identical to, and are also blood elves.
I am personally okay with Revendreth being called a blood elf zone.
Only thing that sets the San’layn apart is they haven’t turned against their leader, whoever that is at this point.
According to an Alliance quest in BfA, they joined the Horde (or were trying to join the Horde? Never did the quest, but I think they joined up). So, depending on which sides of the rebellion they ended up on, they even have that going for them.
So blood elf/san’layn themes, Forsaken-ish architecture (similar enough to what we see in Forsaken towns at least). Yup, I’m’a claim Revendreth for the Horde now.
That’s fine, but I call dibs on Bastion so I can chill with the owl people.
You get your bluman potential going on, I’m’a enjoy using my weird teleport to not get stuck in terrain anymore.
best thing I’ve read in a long time
Every Horde fan:
Dear Blizzard, can you kill or make irrelevant any powerful or relevant lore characters in my faction? Can we pretty please lay siege to my capital city not once but twice ending in the ousting of a Warchief I was forced to fight for? Can you force me to be the bad guy for multiple years in a row? Please Blizzard you know how to write morally grey stuff so wellll.
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I think the core point is…
it’s yet another twilight-lit forest with ethereal “musical” music in the soundtrack, where we have yet more and more Ysera-and-Elune flavored content and next to no troll content that was kind of promised.
It’s very heavy on the Aesthetics usually used for night Elves, and is definitely lacking in tasty troll stuff.
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So you either extend all dragons to being night elf affiliated and Velen blood elf affiliated for the same reasons or you don’t.
It’s not. We’ve had these discussions over and over, and I’m too lazy to link to the other threads, but people posted pictures showing how it’s not. It’s closer to Shadowmoon valley.
Night sky? Fae? That’s it? Shadowmoon valley.
No, I think you’re avoiding getting into the actual definition of what you’re saying just so you can make a “I feel this way” argument. One that appears to be that way, but rapidly loses its weight when you look at not only all the overall picture, but also the individual details.
If your claim is that players might feel that way but it need not be true- then you would be more correct. Because vibes are subjective, and cannot be quantified or measured, and everyone can have a different vibe. I got a Shadowmoon valley vibe from the zone. But I know it’s not a draenei zone.
Im saying that it’s neither troll nor night elf, because the night elf stuff is too minor to warrant it being so, in relation to every thing else; and I also disagree that it has night elf aesthetics because night elf use very different motifs from their trees to culture to general demeanor, even the color palettes are different- the only thing they do have is night sky and faerie dragons, which is shared with draenei and Shadowmoon orcs. You should literally go over to Ashenvale and Darkshore and compare them.
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Have you seen The Lion King? The good animated one not the questionable live action one.
“Can You Feel the Love Tonight” has a beautiful example of of a jungle sunset. The scene after with the lions arguing takes place in a night time jungle environment with a starry night sky that isn’t too hard to re-imagine as fitting the Ardenweald aesthetic. In fact just… All of the Lion King’s night time imagery.
They could even populate the more jungly part of the zone with variants of the existing races. Zebra-striped Vorkai. Faeries with more purple and yellow colorations like you’d find on a jungle dwelling moth.
I think they could’ve done a wider variety of biomes if they wanted. There’s so much more beauty in nature than can be found in just temperate forests.
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Ok, sillyface. One last time regarding Velen: He was there for a reason; M’uru. And yeah, to help fight against Kael’s force. Helping the blood elves with the Sunwell came about because of his actual reason for being there; M’uru.
He did not decide to bless them because he liked them. He did it to honor M’uru. And because he’s Velen.
Ysera taught the night elves to enter the Emerald Dream because she liked them. She loved Malourne. She liked Malfurion and Tyrande. You want to take that away from the night elves, take away from their history and the many connections they made? That’s on you. If you dislike the race so much that you’d handwave away all the allied they had made, all the connections they have, just because you’re mad people get a nelf feel from Ardenweald? Go for it.
Sidenote; guess you also don’t think Elune is night elf-adjacent, because the tauren also revere her as Mu’sha.
Scroll back up. I’ve addressed this. Interestingly, I never mentioned night sky or fae, so not sure what you’re on about there.
Not in the least. I’ve defined it, repeatedly, in this thread. You’ve even responded to some of those posts. Saying I’m wrong because… Well, the only point you really kept going back to was Ysera. You’ll occasionally go back to the color palette, the architecture, but then when I refute your rebuttal, you just keep going back to Ysera, as if you think that and that alone is the lynch pin of the entire argument.
You keep going on about how I’m calling Ardenweald a “night elf zone”, even though all I’ve actually committed to is saying it has “a very night elf vibe”. I think you must not know what the word vibe means, because it doesn’t attribute the zone as belonging to the full aesthetics, property or totality of the night elves.
It’s a magic forest of unnatural colored trees, with fae-like creatures running around, some of those fae-like creatures are corrupted and I have to kill them, a primal air to the region, tree-based architecture, ruled by a powerful female, ties to the Emerald Dream. That description is Ardenweald. It’s also Teldrassil. It is not at all Grizzly Hills or Shadowmoon Valley. Both of those latter zones have some of the elements I described, but Teldrassil, Ashenvale, Darkshore and Ardenweald have them all.
I know you still will do your best to not grasp that at all, or to diminish it, or to… I dunno, maybe next you’ll try and say that it’s totally different because Tyrande doesn’t solely rule the night elves now, and that radically changes what I described. Sounds about right after how you’ve diminished and twisted what we know as fact about Ysera, just to win something here.
Regardless, I’m done.
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I swat that. Sadly you can only see him if you have chosen the Venthyr or if you are playing a warlock. If you are right, this could be an interesting plot line. If it would to justice to Zul’jin.
I agree with the sentiment. It’s strange and weird that we don’t see anything from Trolls (one wolf ghost has a Troll name -.-) at all. Not even a side quest or a very small area around Tha Other Side.
Zul’jin, Rastkhan and all the other Trolls should be there. That you can’t see any loa if you don’t chose Ardenwald is also strange to me.
At least the Trolls do have a dungeon (with joke Gnomes in it…). Other races don’t even have that. The lack of anything Troll still feels wrong though.
Every expansion except WoD and Legion had a troll dungeon and/or raid. It is tradition.
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“Troll fatigue” is a known that Blizzard may have been consciously avoiding. The absence of Tauren and Orcish stuff is bigger to me. I wager it was pretty late in SL’s design phase when they realized Bwonsamdi was popular and to do more with him.
I’m 90% sure Te’zan is supposed to be a troll – they have troll speaking patterns, I think the lack of an accent is because language feels like one of those things afterlives should smooth away.
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True and the ones without are always the worst. But we shall see about this addon. Because you could call it half a Troll dungeon.
This doesn’t make any sense. I agree it’s strange how especially Orcs have forgotten all of their believes (they could speak to their dead ancestors!) Every race should get a small place for them, or let’s say fitting to their lore. So a small zone or place at least surrounding the other side shouldn’t be over exposure, nice for fans and a great thing. But no, it’s in a tree.
The same thing should be there for every other playable race as well.
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People complain about getting troll zones and we both had troll dungeons and centered around a (INCREDIBLY COOL) troll city for one faction all last expansion. I’m just saying, it’s a possibility that Blizz didn’t originally plan to do anything with trolls because we just got off of a very heavy troll expansion. DOS feels to me like a relatively late insertion in response to the popularity of Bwonsamdi.
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They don’t seem to like Trolls. The things about Dazar’alor are debatable. Compared to Boralus it was mostly a “dead” city. This shouldn’t even be a point of discussion. It’s also about consistency and following their lore. Even though, this part was broken so often, it’s ridiculous and seems not to be of any concern for Shadowlands.
They did really not plan to do anything, we know this at least for Bwonsamdi. This could even be used as a point for the OP’s argument.
So you could have a point, but I don’t think it is what you argue it is. It’s lazy in my eyes. Like the example that Orcs could communicate with their dead. How does that work if one is a blue smurf for example?
See, I’m both in agreement and disagreement because orcs.
MoP had a lot of orc fighting, more for Alliance but by 5.3 the Horde was getting in on the anti-orc fights too. So what did the follow it up with? Warorcs of Draenorcs. I hear you guys talking about something called “orc fatigue” by month 9 of SoS. That means you like fighting orcs, right? Hey, you want orcs in your zones? Orcs in your dungeon? Orcs in your raids? Buddy, we got orcs raiding orcs raiding orcs!! Fight orcs until you find yourself in Orgrimmar, looking at your orc guildmates and wondering if they drop Apexis crystals!! OOOORRRRRCS!!!
But since then, orcs have taken a massive backseat. Even in Argus, when there probably should have been an orc or two looking to get some back for what the Legion did to their race, not an orc to be found.
So it might be they did learn their lesson after three and a half years of Orc-a-mania and back seated the trolls, except to resolve BfA’s Vol’jin plot. And to bring some Bwonsamdi in, because everything’s better with some Bwon.
Yeah, every time we communed with the dead in the past is now questionable. We know when they pass into the beyond, they certainly aren’t the ghosts they were previously portrayed as being. How come none of them talked about the endless battles in a Scourge-like battlefield, or how some san’layn rip-offs were torturing them? Is it that every ghost we’ve ever called forth to commune with just so happened to go to a nice afterlife? Cuz that’s awfully convenient.
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“Sorry, I think you have the wrong number.”
“Damn it, great-great-great-great-great orcpa is ghosting me again.”
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I mean, its a common trope in fantasy that Elven forests only reflect the Feywilds; so the actual wilds are supposed be far more saturated and vibrant. Since Ardenweald and the Emerald Dream are clearly both very Feywild based, it is not surprising that the would have that NE Grand Forest motif … but with the color pallet dialed up to 11.
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