Da Trolls, man. Gurubashis
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I’m assuming you’re referring to the time when she sent green dragons to guard the Temple of Atal’ai to prevent the trolls cast out by the Gurubashi from summoning Hakkar, and they responded by kidnapping her green gradons when they were corrupted by the Nightmare.
You are clearly not technically wrong, because she does have third-hand involvement there, but we’re talking about the playable factions (hense “both factions” in that quote) and Gurubashi are not a playable faction, not part of the Horde nor the Alliance, not even members of the Zandalari tribe who have only given then sanctuary.
Good attempt though, kudos.
You have not said playerrace, you have said: "
You wanted a answer, i give you one. You know, the reason she barely interact with anyone but Nightelves is, cause she was sleeping/dreaming and you could only interact with her from Face to Face in Times of need or if you visit her inside the Dream.
If Trolls, if Tauren have visited the Dream before , for example Zandalari, it pretty much possible they interact with her and her swarm, i mean, in the end, she ´s the Guardian of the Dream. And Ysera destroyed the temple, not her dragons if i remember right.
I bolded it this time so you can see it.
And yet, while we have instances where she did interact with the night elves, we don’t have ones with her interacting with the trolls (other than tasking dragons to stop them from summoning bad things) or tauren in their histories.
Your first attempt was better, though also lacking.
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You know, when Ysera start interacted with the night elves, they weren’t part of the Alliance or Horde faction either.
When it all started, there wasn’t even an Alliance or Horde. Likewise, the interaction between Gurubashi trolls, or jungle trolls, was born a thousand years before the Horde or Alliance was born, and the jungle trolls - which include Darkspears - are therefore definitely a point that counts.
That’s what I call double standards, insisting on factions for the night elves, but leaving that out for the trolls.
Then we have the fact that the green dragons - and most likely Ysera - also know Ulfar and his thornspeaker. And it certainly looks as if they have interacted before.
Its a difference of 10.000 Years between Nightelves and Ysera and Nightelves and Alliance-Faction- Member
to be exactly:
Make this quest, she knew Ulfar
https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/quest=60885/grove-of-awakening
She even speak about him in an honorfull and respectfull way. And i´m pretty sure that she knew gonk and his grp of Druids too. In the end, the Dream was her Realm to protect, nothing happened there without her permission. And even a Wild God can´t do anything if the Aspect forbid it.
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Dude, is this seriously the path you’re trying to take now? For real? This is beneath you. Like, for real, you can do much better than this.
No. It isn’t.
You tried to avoid an actual response the first time by conveniently ignoring a part of the conversation regarding the playable factions. When you realized your mistake, you suddenly tried to utterly change the entire argument to being about something it never was; the Alliance and Horde.
You’re trying to pretend Ysera isn’t affiliated with the night elves, ignoring the actual lore that says she actually is, ignoring everything you possibly can, all because you really, really don’t like that you’re wrong.
That isn’t a double standard. That’s just poor debate skill.
Come back when you can actually make an argument.
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I am not saying that she is not in close relationship with the night elves. I’m saying that Ysera is more than “The night elf dragon from next door”
You lack here really arguments, because your only argument is “She is close with the night elves and would defend them”.
Lady, if i remember you, the Aspects BLESSEDTeldrassil, it was a fully working Worldtree, of course a greendragonaspect would be there to protect him.
Good, because literally nobody said that until you decided they said that.
You could actually read the crap that’s been typed already showing the many ties between them, but given you’ve already utterly misread “Ysera is clearly night elf-adjacent” into “she’s basically their personal dragon-friend”, I don’t know if re-reading anything will help. That’s already a massive misunderstanding of some very basic sentences.
You’re confusing your world trees; Nordrassil was the one I mentioned, and it was among other instances connecting the two. You also forgot her tying the night elves to the Emerald Dream, and…
Why am I bothering with you? You’re somehow going to read this and I dunno, assume I’m saying Ysera dreams of night elves or some other whacky crap.
Come back when you have a real argument that addresses anything I actually typed.
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Im not responding to this post because everything amounts to “yes but it is!!!” and the rest is again deflective and cheap targeted attacks.
The one point that you have about Velen is a double standard because Ysera doesn’t help night elves either, she does it for the emerald dream, not because she loves night elves so much. The only exception to this being Cenarius.
And all of this, even if used to claim Ysera is heavily tied to night elves, doesn’t make Ardenweald a night elf zone, because the actual night elven part is too small with respect to the rest of the story.
If you want to argue thematics, we’ve had these arguments here a hundred times already disproving that Ardenweald is like Ashenvale or other night elf zones in terms of visuals, tree architecture, and terrain. It is far closer to Shadowmoon valley which is related to both draenei and orcs. And if you want to go by units, you’d have to apply the same standards to Maldraxxus and Revendreth.
No, I’m claiming there is no reasonable basis for it being a night elven zone as the night elven connection is not strong with regard to the questing or thematic, unless you want to look at it from a bird’s eye view.
I also don’t consider myself uneducated on the lore because I have a different perspective on it. That’s a silly hill to die on.
Yeah, whatever. You’re still the one using anti-vaccer logic of picking on small anomalies instead of looking at the overall output of the thing.
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Ysera is not Night Elf aligned, she is Druid/Nature/Emerald Dream aligned.
When does she ever exclusively interact with just Night Elves?
Not once.
Horde victim complex rearing its head once again.
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I waited to do the zone before posting. It didn’t really feel Night Elf to me.
You don’t need to exclusively me interact with one race to be aligned with them.
Sigh. Yup, she certainly didn’t help them when she gave them the ability to enter the Emerald Dream. Of course. Or when she and the rest of the aspects blessed Nordrassil, then much later Teldrassil. That was for kicks.
And again, even though you will yet again clearly misread this sentence, I’m saying it has night elf vibes, from the color palette, the NPCs with night elf affiliations, the type of arcitecture, the…
It doesn’t matter. Because you seem to think “vibe” means “exactly the same as”, so I’m wasting my time with you here. You’d choose to ignore the actual lore about a character, just so you can pretend to “win a point”.
Again, I’m looking at the whole of the evidence. I’m saying the amount of it, building atop each other, gives it a certain vibe.
You’re the one saying "well, because just because 90% of the things Ysera has done has been about or directly involving night elves, the other 10% tho!! And color palettes? Styles of architecture? NPCs present? Those don’t add anything to an atmosphere at all!! Know what does?
“There’s a troll dungeon way over there. That, my friend, is the important part. Disproves any possibility of a vibe.”
Talk about picking out small anomalies to create an entire backward logic train.
Okay good thing she’s not. And in expanded material, her only appearances in the game are neutral in capacity. She shows up for Tyrande/Malfurion’s wedding as well as Thrall and Aggra’s.
In Val’sharah she’s literally just defending Druid settlements.
Sigh.
When she gave her blessing to their special magic tree.
When she gave her blessing to their other special magic tree.
When she came to their aid in the War of the Ancients.
When she
Y’all just hate Ysera. That’s gotta be it. You literally do not like her and that’s what this whole bit about the Alliance disowning her relationship with the night elves is about.
Y’all just trying to give yourselves a reason to feel bad again. I get why people talk about NEPs and surrogate NEPs now.
…ah yes of course why did Ysera not come to the aid of the Horde 10,000 years ago when they did not exist!!!
YOU GOT ME.
Horde fanboys will never not find something to b*tch about. The perpetual victims of Warcraft roflmao.
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Oh snap the night elves are the entire Alliance now, GOT ME!!
Oh snap tauren haven’t been around for a forever, and trolls are new too, GOT ME!!
Oh snap the dwarves aren’t part of the Alliance and are also brand new, same for humans and gnomes, GOT ME!!
Dude, do you even know what the conversation’s about? Because it don’t look like you do.
She views Cenarius as her adopted friend. Malfurion as her honored student. And Tyrande something like her best friend. She blessed the Night Elves twice. Has a deep connection with them historical both helping and teaching.
Interacting with other groups in some capacity doesn’t make her not aligned with them.
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EDIT: To whoever reported dude’s post? Not cool. Give him a shot to walk it back.
I’m deleting my initial response. People getting report happy in here for just a bit of edge, and that’s kind of lame.
Pft. I’ll happily compare the sheer number of posts I’ve had reported and taken down with you any time. I didn’t even have censored swears or excessive edgelord.
And yet, here you are, playing the victim. Funny that.
I disagree, Revendreth is the third time we’ve done the “pointy eared people that rely on some substance rebel against their crappy leader” storyline and thus is clearly a blood elf zone.
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