I remember there used to be hype hearing the Scarlet Crusade were involved. 
Agreed, there was honestly so much wasted potential in BFA from Nzoth to Queen Azshara both of which didn’t really fit into the story in my opinion. But of course most BFA story felt like a mashed together mess due to the writes not knowing where to go with the war story line and I know hindsight is 20/20 but I feel like they should have just had small hints at a bigger issue with azeroth and How the Jailer was using the war to build his power.
I always felt like the Scarlet Crusade was finished when they went to northrend and than got stomped by the Argent Dawn.
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To be as fair as possible here. In lore the Forsaken have not been laying siege all that time. They pulled out at the end of MoP. They did not have the manpower to police the area and could not hold it. It has been mostly just a lawless land since.
Blizzard has just never taken the time or resources to do anything with the area before now.
And the whole point is the Forsaken are there to help reclaim the area for the Gilneans as penance for their past assault.
He is seeing Forsaken in general and it reminds him of his loss. It is not Calia specifically. It is seeing undead making him relive his trauma.
Blizzard is trying to get away from the faction war stories. They have only been bad for the players in general.
What should have happened was the Gilneas was recovered from the Forsaken back in MoP. But Blizzard was not willing to put time and resources into the Alliance story at that time. And the moment passed.
Now the problem is if the story were to set the Gilneans as taking the lands back from the Forsaken we have a problem. You have to explain why the Forsaken were even fighting to hold the land. And explain how it is not just restarting the faction war. And how characters like Thrall and even Caila are not stepping in to demand the Forsaken withdraw. Etc, etc. So you have to have a new enemy. One that is not part of the Horde. Enter the Scarlets. Plus the mutual enemy part gives a chance to tell the whole ‘healing old wounds’ narrative.
It really should have been. I think it was just Blizzard trying to come up with an enemy that would be in roughly that area and that both groups would want to kill.
I don’t think it was the best choice. But it was a quick and easy one.
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This is precisely why he is showing up.
Because Dalaran was her home as well and maybe more importantly they wanted to reference her experience about being driven by vengence to Alleria and relate her feeling to it.
I love it when characters don’t retain the growth they’re written to have had between gameplay expansions.
Genn was supposed to have softened after meeting Faol with Anduin as of Before the Storm and no longer blame people for the actions of individuals. He also had all of Battle of Azeroth to spend time with Undead Calia as she was just hanging out in the Alliance’s comforts during the entire expansion story, only changing sides to the Forsaken as part of the Epilogue.
But then he sees Calia arrive while he’s mustering his forces for Gilneas and starts acting like your racist uncle, only calmed by his own wife who snaps at him for losing it.
But then can you blame him? He and I agree on this one thing.
Ahem,
I do not like that woman Calia,
I do not like her holy regalia,
I do not like her pristine organs,
I do not like her with the Worgens,
I do not like her aversion to blight,
I do not like her hypocritically using it in a fight,
I do not like her among the undead,
She should’ve stuck with Stormwind instead,
Her role should be replaced with a simple-minded ghoul,
That woman Calia, is such a freaking tool
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I feel like they didn’t foreshadow anything because they didn’t know where they were going with it in the first place. They wrote BFA as a faction war, saw the overwhelming negative reception and later on wrote it all as part of the Jailer’s plans to make it sound like they knew where they were going with it. But at this point we are already too derailed from the main topic.
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A resurgent Wolf Cult could have worked too. It would have at least been an established enemy of the worgen instead of hauling out the Scarlets, with whom Gilneas basically had no real history.
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Most definitely agree that entire expac felt like the writer’s were flying by the seat of their pants all while finishing the story just before the deadline for it to drop hit.
I don’t think he did.
Trauma doesn’t just go away. I find it key that he does stop.
He has gotten over it enough that he can look past it. That doesn’t mean it is not still a trauma trigger. Given his history it would make less sense if he was suddenly happy when they showed up. Having him react with anger but be willing to relax when someone close to him tells him it is okay is more in line with how a real person would respond.
I agree, Scarlets were mostly just Forsaken enemies at that point.
What I would have done is have some of the Sylvanas loyalist Forsaken break away and find some powerful members of the scourge who got free of Bolvar when the helm was broken. Gilneas being mostly empty would have made a good place for them to set up. Have them setting up and trying to build a new scourge under their leadership.
That would have set up an enemy group both the Forsaken and Gilneans would have reason to want dealt with. Additionally it would feel thematically better for the Gilnean side, destroying the unrepentant invaders of their lands, while also establishing a clear distinction between the Forsaken under Sylvanas and the Forsaken now. It would also allow a feeling of a cleansing for the Forsaken, getting ride of their worst elements.
Plus it would show there were consequences of the helm’s destruction beyond the Shadowlands.
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Southshore was an Alliance base in their territory that actively attacked Tarren Mill. If Camp Taurjo was a legit target because it had a Hunter Trainer then that’s beyond fair game.
And what happens in the Sludge Fields is being conducted by Warden Stillwater. A rogue Apothecary who’s acting against orders and Forsaken law. You free his prisoners and kill him in the Hillsbrad questline.
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How many times has the SC been wiped out now? Where are all these humans coming from?
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I stopped counting after the 4th time. 
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you see humans do this thing called having kids. also its funny how its always alliance poster who are just soo sick of the scarlets, cause god forbid the forsaken have an enemy they can fight
The same reason Genn got off the hook for attacking the Horde Warchief at Stormheim.
To move the loot along.
I mean, the Horde burned down the tree house he skulked off to…. But while his hosts suffered, he still gets off Scott free.
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You mean the same warchief that murdered millions of Nightelves and Worgon unprovoked and then got a redemption arc?
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I don’t think we even know if there were millions of Night Elves and Worgen in the first place.
Enough to not deserve a redemption arc.
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My comment wasn’t saying killing those Night Elves was good. Just noting it wasn’t especially accurate to say millions.
Well to be precise there was 23,000 total Night elves according to the wow devs living in Darnassus.
When did they say that?