Varian messed up, Evil influence or not, pressure of the nobles or not. Thats why his development across wow is so important.
I dont think Varian messed up in this case and this particular trouble can be traced to Onyxia. In fact the original story was more that he was planning on paying them from his own personal funds by the riots already happened.
The defias were not going to agree to the original amount and wanted more.
Weâll see if true then.
It would only have come about recently if so. Since apparently only Chronicles supposedly mentions it.
I think itâs really dumb that they later wrote it so that he was totally going to just pay out of pocket until his wife died.
If you wanted to shield him from the moral implications of this standoff, why not just say he/the kingdom was skint and reliant on the nobles who had been raking it in due to Stormwindâs expansion from the previous few generations? Having the money but not paying due to depression is understandable but still bad. I still had to pay the rent when my fiancee dumped me years back.
I like it more if it was Jainaâs and Arthas dirty secret⌠and that Varian adopted him for some reason⌠Just to stir the pot a bit.
Although Varians wife being a cheater does appeal to me⌠but for all the wrong reasons. I just want my Purist Alliance Supremacist friends to rant and seeth a bit, just to get back at their endless teasin of for me still caring for the Horde stories and relevance, since they want to see them as the evil Faction.
So donât mind my own take on this⌠itâs very adulterated (pun totally intended! ) by my own personal petty bias with my Alliance Purist friends, LMAO!!
There was a lot of white-washing and revisionism in thr Alliance around that time to turn it into the goody two-shoes, boring doormat it is now. Thereâs no way Metzen and Kosak were going to let the newly arrived Thrall-expy have any moral taint that cant be explained away.
Im glad they didnât succeed at bleaching everything. Elune forgive the Alliance having any depth!
I spitballed the idea in tradechat, and omg the vitriol from the MHP crowd was intense. Got quite a few threats and hate-tells for suggesting any moral doubts on their God-King.
LMAO I much as I would love to joke about this, this Alliance âpurist supremacist mentalityâ is a real thing⌠as wild as that sounds!
I donât blame them though, the Alliance is constantly being portrayed and written like this constantly over the expansions, and has only reinforce this image and player mentality even if most donât act this hyperbole. Iâm just glad it hasnât become political or some other divisive irl racial stuff that happened in other games, since the game is extremely high fantasy/sci-fi, about war and all that comes with that in MMORPGs I think we are safe, I think lol.
I speculate that these type of players actually fear or dread if that ever change IMO or there side loses as bad as they view The Horde has.
My Alliance purist friends are tame compare to ingame players, glad at least you didnât get death threats, mass reported or doxing, I heard it can get pretty bad if you push it. So be careful, but Iâm glad you got to have a bit of fun like I do sometimes! lol
I found why I always thought the the Defias wanted more, from Varianâs entry in wowpedia:
. It is suspected that Lady Katrana had ensorcelled half the House of Nobles and half the Stonemasons and because of this, both sides refused to begrudge their positions: with the House of Nobles only offering meager compensation while the Stonemasons continued to demand extravagant sums.
Anyways, after checking it was the Nobles trying to withhold payment and not Varian. So saying Varian âcheatedâ them is incorrect, because he was never one the to promise it! Onyxia clearly influenced both so one side asked for too much and the other side wanted to only offer too little.
Varian didnât mess up. Without Onyxia I think the entire thing could have been settled peacefully. Vancleefâs one interaction with Varian in all of Warcraft lore was nothing if not positive. In fact, Chronicles mentions how ALOT of the problems we were all dealing with in Vanilla WoW were subtlety being flamed by the Old Gods.
Warcraftâs story has been how forces beyond all of our control have been messing with all of us from the start.
Look, this was lore as I recall it from around BC/Vanilla. I honestly doubt Blizzard had finalized how they wanted the Defias or even had the story straight enough.
This theory needs to die. It is disrespectful to Queen Tiffin, who was a noble and devoted woman, who would never meet outside of wedlock. This slander will not be tolerated.
Anduin Wrynn is the trueborn son of Varian Wrynn and the rightful heir to Stormwind, case-closed.
âwedlockâ lmao oh nooo
This summation drives a needed stake through the heart of this idea, well done.
Just funny that you repeated I should know my lore four times just to be wrong.
I already addressed this. Varian delegated the task to the House of Nobles, it was his responsibility.
He was also king, still his responsibility.
And he tried to mediate and was against the original deal, so he got himself involved even more.
Lmao what even.
She canonically met with arthas when varian wasnât home in chronicle.
CâMon donât bait him even if he is delusional.
This insult coming from you is rich, given your background.
Look this was lore I read from the wiki, that the Defias requested exorbitant sums.
He had plenty of responsibility. Again, the mess would not have happened if Onyxia did not attempt to meddle in all of this and clearly the deal done was unreasonable for all parties.
In any case, the Mason rioted not because partially because they assumed they were never getting paid, Varian was willing to pay them still, just not the excessive amount they wanted.
Excessive? They rebuild the entire city. They deserve that much payment if it wasnât for corrupt nobles halting Varian.
Which is his fault. A deal is a deal.
Nevermind, I found where I saw the story saying the defias did ask for more!
VanCleef met with the nobles. What happened is somewhat unclear; the nobles claim that VanCleef demanded more money than was originally agreed upon, while the Stonemasons maintain that the nobles refused to pay them the promised amount. What is known for sure is that the Stonemasons started a riot that resulted in the accidental death of Queen Tiffin Wrynn and their expulsion from the city. Years later, it would be revealed that the black dragon Onyxia had manipulated both parties in order to turn them against each other.
So hah! I knew I was right that a version of the story did say the Masons were asking for more then the original deal.