Zerde, you keep linking wikis. Wikis are not lore sources. Notice how there’s no source for that paragraph? Literally anyone can write what they want on wikis.
You are still wrong. You haven’t provided any actual version where they demand more.
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Look, this was the source of lore we had before, where the person who wrote it got it I cannot say nor if it is even canon anymore. I at least I have proof I wasn’t making up this claim for no particular reason.
Regardless, the lore is still the fees were exessive and that Onyxia was the one manipulating it. Blaming it on Varian is follow, the only one to blame was Onyxia because without her both sides might not have dug their heels and stopped any compromise. So, no Varian did not “cheat” anyone, is still my stance.
I never said you made it up for no reason. I just said you were wrong. People don’t generally make stuff up for no reason.
And the wiki has never been a source of lore.
The lore is that Varian thought the fees were excessive. But the lore is also that that was the original deal.
Onyxia is also to blame. The House of Nobles is also to blame. And Varian is to blame. Lots of blame to go around.
Maybe Onyxia is involved (in said hypothetical) in Tiffin sleeping with Arthas. Then we can just blame Onyxia.
Or we only blame Onyxia, again no Onyxia and none of this would have happened. Even as greedy as some in the nobles were, others(like Tiffih) were reasonable. That she wanted to mess with Stormwind and it was her influence that ultimately caused the mess.
I’ve already agreed Onyxia gets most of the blame. I just don’t really see a reason the House of Nobles and Varian don’t also get blame. “I was manipulated” isn’t good enough for me.
But again, to get back on track. Maybe Tiffin only slept with Arthas (hypothetically) because of Onyxia’s manipulations. Therefore you can just blame Onyxia, she manipulated them.
Why should they get the blame with Onyxia did show the nobles the works were shoddy, I would not be inclined to pay people who didn’t do the work properly, or at least pay them less. And yes, manipulates is a good enough reason, especially one that was magically caused.
Or this is a stupid idea that does nothing to improve lore and I expect will go nowhere if for no other reason then because Metzen will wholeheartedly oppose it. That this is as stupid as going Jaina was a dreadlord.
Isn’t this idea literally from some in-universe Scarlet Brotherhood propaganda piece or something? Along with Anduin marrying Sylvanas?
She died when he was really young, to the point that she never really had any influence on his life. Also, her spirit was never imprinted on the magic sword he was wielding at the time.
WoW is the only place where diehard Stormwind fans will keep blaming the workers instead of the King that had the power.
I am not blaming the workers. I am blaming Onyxia.
…I want the reverse! I want a black dragon whelp to show up who claims s/he’s the result of brainwashed Varian sleeping shapechanged Onyxia!
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She didn’t show them it was shoddy, she convinced them of it. We can see the work, it isn’t shoddy. If someone manipulates me into murdering someone, I still murdered them.
It seems possible. I certainly like the idea a lot.
I’m all for it.
Her secret meddling in the rebuilding of Stormwind had left the nobility unsatified with the craftsmanship of the Stonemasons; Guild.
She didn’t just convince them. She was actively meddling with the work.
Her meddling was convincing the nobles.
Again, we see Stormwind. It isn’t shoddy. This is visibly evident.
New Headcanon:
Tiffin Wrynn was one of those nameless Kyrian Anduin probably cut down after stabbing Kyrestia.
She didn’t recognize her son, because she’s never seen him grown up, and she’s had her memories erased anyway. But her son cut her down in cold blood, and doesn’t even know it. She’s double plus dead now, because of him.
Thanks to the way Bastion and the Shadowlands functioned, it’s impossible to deny or prove it happened. Schrodinger’s lore.
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Varian would not be allowed to do anything morally wrong, as he is not a member of the Horde, being explicitly villain-batted to become a Raid Boss, or a member of the Horde being explicitly villain-batted to become a Raid Boss.
The House of Nobles never gets anything more than a handwave since Vanilla because the current writing crew 1) keep forgetting that it even exists 2) avoid writing about them because they recognize their own lack of competence to do anything more political beyond 'Good Alliance ruler, Bad Horde rulers."
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Now it is evident, I assume when the construction was being done it wasn’t exactly complete yet/Onyxia could have shown the part of it that were still not up to snuff.
I mean, Varian did manage to convince some of the stonemasons to remain. I assume they helped finish the job.
Lot of assumptions, lol. Aka, headcanon.
Well that’s the thing, if people are fine saying there’s moral absolution with manipulation, as long as he was manipulated, they’d say he’s in the clear!
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So the Orcs did nothing wrong glad we cleared that up.
And you outright ignore the canon that Onyxia was manipulating the constructions. Your own headcanon assume that Onyxia wasn’t being more proactive rather then just “telling” people it was bad.
Maybe she secretly really loved war, but was far too weak as an individual, and so got sent to Maldraxxus to get amalgamated into one of the abominations of the House of Constructs.
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