SL ruined for casuals to appease hardcore community

[Holius-stormrage]

@Korgull-perenolde

This is the most perfect post ever. I hate Shadowlands, I don’t even want to log into alts anymore, let alone my main. I already have a job, I don’t need another when I come home.

Amen brother!

[Cybilshade-moon-guard]

hi im a casual player due to time restraints, not going anywhere though and im loving sl so far, the reduction in gear handouts was needed. Too many entitled babies ruining the social aspect of the game. Raids and group content is supposed to be best with a guild of friends, the games an Multi Player Online game. You arent supposed to be able to do everything solo!

[Dény-proudmoore]

I’d consider myself a hardcore player and I agree with OP entirely.

I want to play the game hardcore, I don’t want RNG. Low drop rates = RNG. Corruption = RNG. Get rid of the RNG aspect of gearing, or at least mitigate it with bad luck protection, bonus rolls, etc.

Furthermore, M+ should scale up to mythic ilvl. Players should be able to get rewards for the difficulty of the content they do in proportion to that difficulty.

[Elka-proudmoore]

@Korgull-perenolde

This is the most perfect post ever. I hate Shadowlands, I don’t even want to log into alts anymore, let alone my main. I already have a job, I don’t need another when I come home.

Couldnt have said it better

[Evilbadguy-malganis (Evilbadguy)]

This is great news, if shadowlands is really setting records it’s more likely many old time wow players have returned who are used to loot being loot instead of this free thing everyone gets for anything. I actually hope casuals leave over this so the game design can continue to trend in this hardcore direction which happened to make WoW into the game it was back in the golden age of it

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Illiaster-moon-guard

Besides that, can we talk about how the M+ Great Vault rewards is based on your LOWEST key completed? This disincentivizes helping out friends or guildies in completing lower keys, since it actively hinders your own weekly loot.

We need a sticky so people stop saying wrong information on the mythic+ great vault.

Helping someone else, or running low keys can never, ever, downgrade the loot you receive from the great vault.

Option 1 - Highest Key. Or more accurately, you’re lowest Key out of your top 1.

Option 2 - Your lowest key out of your Top 4.

Option 3 - Your lowest key out of your Top 10.

If you ran say, 15, 12, 12, 10, 10, 10, 6, 5, 7, 4

Option 1 - Loot for the 15

Option 2 - Loot for the 10 (lowest of your top 4, being 15, 12, 12, 10)

Option 3 - Loot for the 4 (lowest of your top 10)

Maybe that 7 and 4 you ran at the end were helping a friend and now you feel that your option 3 sucks. Well, without running them you only would have done 8 and not even had an option 3.

[Dény-proudmoore]

@Evilbadguy-malganis

This is great news, if shadowlands is really setting records it’s more likely many old time wow players have returned who are used to loot being loot.

Loot being loot is just another way of saying “I have zero skill, so I’m going to rely on luck in order to perform well.”

The real endgame begins when gearing ends.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Dény-proudmoore

I’d consider myself a hardcore player and I agree with OP entirely.

I want to play the game hardcore, I don’t want RNG. Low drop rates = RNG. Corruption = RNG. Get rid of the RNG aspect of gearing, or at least mitigate it with bad luck protection, bonus rolls, etc.

Furthermore, M+ should scale up to mythic ilvl. Players should be able to get rewards for the difficulty of the content they do in proportion to that difficulty.

The biggest issue with that is no lockout.

There is no method of 226 gear aquisition with out a lockout/timegate.

[Evilbadguy-malganis (Evilbadguy)]

Yea I’d say that to if I was bad at the game.

[Autumnblaze-stormrage]

Define casual. Casual players still do mythic raids and set aside time to raid each week.

[Gildondar-emerald-dream]

Yeah now we are all forced to fill slots with 184 ilvl pvp.

Great change.

[Dény-proudmoore]

@Argorwal-ysera

The biggest issue with that is no lockout.

There is no method of 226 gear aquisition with out a lockout/timegate.

So? By the time you could spam enough 20s in a week that this would be an issue you’d already be full clearing mythic. Furthermore, even with an increased drop rate the amount of time you would need to spend in keys to get proper itemization would be so large as to negate the repetitive aspect.

Currently you need to spend about 6-7 hours a week doing keys (assuming you only do 14+ and they are all in time) to get your great vault maxed for M+

A full clear of a raid after prog is about 2-3 hours typically depending on raid size, etc.

I’d rather we have too much loot than not enough, and I really don’t care if people want to put in the time and effort to grind out their gear early. PvPers should be able to as well.

Raiding is not the penultimate content anymore. If anything, it’s the easiest of the 3 endgame pillars.

[Dény-proudmoore]

@Evilbadguy-malganis

I’d say that to if I was bad at the game.

If you were good at the game you wouldn’t be terrified of an even playing field.

[Cybilshade-moon-guard]

For me SL was a step in the right direction. Bfa handed loot out like candy, the gear difference between a fresh 120 and someone who had been raiding or mythic+ running was insane.

SL makes the gear pace slower but i see this as healthy for the game, torg changes each time i run it and i find that fun. Theres more to work towards which keeps people playing on current content more while blizz can take more time working on new content, bfa was a rush of really shallow content patches that players where done with barely even a week after they where published.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Dény-proudmoore

@Argorwal-ysera

The biggest issue with that is no lockout.

There is no method of 226 gear aquisition with out a lockout/timegate.

So? By the time you could spam enough 20s in a week that this would be an issue you’d already be full clearing mythic. Furthermore, even with an increased drop rate the amount of time you would need to spend in keys to get proper itemization would be so large as to negate the repetitive aspect.

Currently you need to spend about 6-7 hours a week doing keys (assuming you only do 14+ and they are all in time) to get your great vault maxed for M+

A full clear of a raid after prog is about 2-3 hours typically depending on raid size, etc.

I’d rather we have too much loot than not enough, and I really don’t care if people want to put in the time and effort to grind out their gear early. PvPers should be able to as well.

Raiding is not the penultimate content anymore. If anything, it’s the easiest of the 3 endgame pillars.

+17s have already been timed, with 226 gear not even in the game and mythic+ loot caps, and you think people will need full mythic clear gear for 20s?

To get the same great vault reward as a +14 for raiding you need to do mythic raid. Getting 3 options requires a full CE clear with 95% of servers never even accomplish.

“A full clear of a raid after prog” doesn’t even occur on most severs because nobody clears it.

[Literuly-grobbulus]

Then go play something else, this game isn’t for you.

[Illiaster-moon-guard (Illiaster)]

@Argorwal-ysera

We need a sticky so people stop saying wrong information on the mythic+ great vault.

…actually that makes a lot more sense, sorry for misinformation. I guess someone explained it to me wrong.

[Fixi-garrosh]

I am 100% a casual and I’m having plenty of fun. There is no problem now.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Illiaster-moon-guard

@Argorwal-ysera

We need a sticky so people stop saying wrong information on the mythic+ great vault.

…actually that makes a lot more sense, sorry for misinformation. I guess someone explained it to me wrong.

You aren’t the first one lol np.

I do think Blizz should have a small sticky explaining it because many people seem to be misunderstanding.

[Fentaan-hakkar]

But the same people love it enough to post on the game forums how much you hate it?