SL ruined for casuals to appease hardcore community

Unfortunately, you can still only choose 1 item from the great vault, no matter how many rows you unlock. Also, you would have to have a lot of luck to get 15-16 upgrades in 2 weeks. Even if by some miracle you get 15-16 pieces of loot, more than likely you will get 2-3 items for certain slots while other slots go completely unupgraded.

The expac is awesome quit ur whining

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I was clearly referring to the not getting loot from dailies or world quests, only having 2 drops for 40 then 3 for 25 players but sure go full hyperbole if it makes you happy

I don’t think this just the Dev team here. I think Blizz wants desperately for WoW to be similar to how Overwatch is within the E-Sports community. I think they see that as a real profit machine. That’s why we have these seasons in almost every game they make now.

This kind of caters to the elite and the hardcore raiders. Who can get the top slot, the best gear, and clear the hardest fights within a certain time frame of the season. It also kinda drags everyone else along for the ride. With them constantly pushing up the ceiling the climb looks more daunting every second. The gear the casual player did grind to get feels trivial. Seriously on my Druid I just let Pawn add-on tell me if it’s an upgrade for my spec I take it. Why bother even caring about the rewards.

This kinda reshapes what MMOs are and how the feel. As a causal player who’s main is at ilvl187 I kinda feel like there’s no where else to go with the game on that character outside of grinding the weekly’s and just doing turn ins. Meanwhile on my alt I’m reading the quest texts and exploring the Eastern Kingdoms where all the old Warcraft Lore is; but the problem is while there’s so much for that character to do and be rewarded there’s no actual content that’s worth exploring and being rewarded on the lvl 60 character. At the end of the day the only items he can get that will make his time in game easier will have to come from M+ and Raiding. Which isn’t my idea of fun tbh. It makes me sad more than anything.

So yes–this game has catered to the Raiders this xpac it seems. No it’s not casual friendly as once you get to where I am you have to decide to actually start changing your playstyle and abandoning what you find fun in the game to progress forward or make an alt and restart everything.

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I had a Legendary drop for me in Legion from a Blingtron gift box. I couldn’t believe it.

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People watch them and they shape public response and perception of the game. Why, I have no idea. Who want’s to watch other people play a video game? I’ll read a book thanks.

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Reminder: Removing the dislike button was a mistake, and encourages false flagging.

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i’ve unsubbed as of this morning, but it won’t expire for another month.

i login with my main lvl 60 , do my daily for my drone mount, alpaca, and my pterro thingy in zuldazaar. i look at which wq’s are up … see none offer an upgrade (i am ilvl 157), already beat my head against layer 4 in torg, and haven’t been successful so not gonna bother trying again until next week.

flip to my alt 60… do her daily hexweave cloth craft

then fiddle around working on heritage armor sets on the allied side as i have never played through most of the alliance stories…

sl is just tedious… i’ll come back in a yr.

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I mean while I agree that the random upgrading of loot and inflation of loot from WQs did kind of impact BFA…

…are we really going to defend how the M+ loot system works now? Regardless of how the great vault works (since its basically a chest), the current system seems to focus too much on funneling or having parties of one armor type due to having one or two drops per run.

Besides that, can we talk about how the M+ Great Vault rewards is based on your LOWEST key completed? This disincentivizes helping out friends or guildies in completing lower keys, since it actively hinders your own weekly loot.

I don’t consider WoW hardcore, but the majority of this community seems to throw a tantrum when they have to group up or don’t get what they want.

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I guess I’m just old. I remember when watching someone play a video game was a creepy and uncomfortable thing to do - you both felt bad because only one of you was playing and having fun. Now, it’s like a normal thing for people to just sit there and watch someone else play? I just can’t process the idea that anyone would want to do this. To each their own, I guess /shrug

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I really wish more casuals would take this attitude. If you aren’t raiding or doing mythic plus, then you don’t need raid or mythic plus gear. I’ve never understood players who refuse to set foot in a raid and then complain that they can’t get raid equal gear to drop from casual content.

Does Torghast just give soul ash? It doesn’t work like visions and give a piece of loot complimenting what ever layer you do?

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This is a well thought out, organized post from the OP.

That being said, it’s long overdue for Blizz to do something about RNG being stingy. Personally, I’d like to see crafted gear as another source of competitive ilvl gear with a passively obtained raid/m+ currency that is required to make the gear.

And let engineers make trinkets with a discovery method of combining materials to produce either powerful or unfortunate results!

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Just soul ash. Less Anima than most world quests. Some legendary recipes are in there.

A lot of mission table followers can be acquired in Torghast.

For real, if Torghast weren’t required to craft legendaries, very few people would be doing it. As folks get their legendaries and rank them up, expect participation in Torghast to drop dramatically. You’ll know it’s happening when Blizzard starts adding other rewards or making wholesale changes to how Torghast works.

As of now, I’m worried they’ve taken a cool idea in Torghast and are slowly turning it into the Island Adventures of Shadowlands.

Completing a Torghast run nets you soul ash, which is needed for crafting legendaries. You only get the soul ash by killing the final boss. If you can’t kill the final boss, you get nothing. There are a few little goodies sprinkled around in there, but soul ash is the major point of doing them. Hence why I usually group up a couple times a week in order to avoid the chance of wasting an hour and a half for nothing.

On that point i agree.

This post is the definition of modern debate. You simply create an imaginary adversary who says a bunch of imaginary things that upset you and then you rale against a figment of your imagination.

Poster even put quotation marks around the “hardcore” statements as if they were actually said by someone.

Very well written post Ippollite. I hope someone does read this with a open mind at the company.

I’m a casual and SL is shaping up to be my second favorite expansion ¯_(ツ)_/¯