SL killed M+ by max'ing leetism

Do you think having mythic+ be a gearing path contributes to guilds wanting to extend even earlier?

Since they aren’t fully locking their gear out because they still get a 226 every week from mythic+?

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very, very likely.

I think the changes next tier will reverse a lot of that, with the raid bonuses on raid gear, etc.

people will likely still lock out though. I mean at some point you kind of have to, for efficiency, and to get enough reps on the later bosses during your raid week.

You know if they just had a vendor that had the gear you could get to upgrade it people would smash out low level keys and high level keys alike

More played hours etc etc

No idea why they didn’t just do that

What quality of gear should be on the vendors?

m0 184 gear - baseline mythic gear. purchasable with valor.

why not? take some of the awful rng away from trying to farm a specific trinket. tradeoff is, you have to dump a TON of valor into it to level it up.

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You know full well that’s not what they were asking for hehe.

oh I know. But that’s what would be reasonable to be easily purchased.

 

Honestly tho. And it’s all because of the vault. Also I honestly feel that the weekly vault is the biggest reason raid loot feels like it doesn’t even matter anymore. 99.9% of the mythic guilds take months to clear the raid on mythic. In that time they pretty much get near max ilvl thanks to the vault.
IMO they should remove the weekly vault from the game, increase the m+ ilvl a bit to make up for that but still keep it Lower than mythic raids. Maybe make +15’s drop like 216 gear or even 220 cause heroic sire/SLg are honestly easier than 15 keys lol. Then make +20 keys drop 226 gear and the loot system would be so much healthier. M+ keys barely drop gear anyways so spamming 20’s wouldn’t be amazing for gear, more people mythic raid than do +20 keys.

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I’d imagine that there’d be far less CE guilds if the M+ vault went away lol.

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Lol, says the loser posting on a 35 mage. Anyone can spew a bunch of BS. Log on alliance right now - there’s less than 30 total groups posted at any KEY level, 25% of them are paid carries.

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Why would I log in alliance if I want to play M+? That’s the whole reason I play horde, to actually have groups. If there was cross-faction or more balanced pops I would play alliance, but as of now it is not viable and you’re making a mistake being there if you want to do M+ and don’t already have a regular team lined up.

Explain how I got to 1950io as alliance with no team, just pugs.

Witchcraft!