There are many complaints that Blizzard has ruined Angerforge by allowing transfers from Skyfury because players are transferring with full epics and stacks of cash.
Skyfury is a 3-week old server. 3 weeks. In that short time frame, it (allegedly) has become indistinguishable from established servers from launch such as Arugal and Whitemane.
For Angerforge players: unless you already had a level 70 and were about to commence your AV grind for Brutal Gladiators, you were already behind and the Fresh experience was imminently about to end. Because your server was about to see an influx of epic-geared 70s with stacks of cash - the same as every other server - while youâre still in your 20s/30s.
It seems like the only logical conclusion is in order to preserve the Fresh experience, Fresh servers need to restart every 2-3 weeks. Which is obviously a terrible and unsustainable idea, unless it was some highly experimental SOM initiative.
New servers that are made for transfers, and new servers made for a fresh start.
Now both Skyfury and Angerforge were ânew servers made for a fresh startâ
Now if angerforge originally started as ânew server to transferâ you wouldnât have the same population of players. Yes, a population will stop playing on skyfury to go to angerforge, but its whole different type of set of players.
3-4k players got burnt by thinking they were starting on a ânew fresh start serverâ but got the rugged pulled out from them.
It has nothing to do with 70s running around. I am just going back to skyfury or try maladath.
Its like being asked to start an alt on your server or play on a brand new reroll server.
I understand the sentiment. But Skyfury is, for all intents and purposes, a ânewâ server. Relative to Angerforge, itâs less than 3 weeks older. The logical conclusion from this is that âFreshâ lasts less than 21 days.
Where did I say anything remotely similar to that?
My argument is - fundamentally - if merging two Fresh servers that are less than 3 weeksâ apart somehow ruins the Fresh experience, you are necessarily saying that Fresh lasts less than 3 weeks. Less than a monthly billing cycle. That this time next month, Angerforge would no longer be Fresh and - therefore - not what you signed up for.
Again you clearly miss the point, its not about when the server was created or not. Imagine before they allowed skyfury > angerforge, they instead created a brand new server. a PVP server on east coast lets say. A few days go by, then they say sorry we are going to allow angerforge to transfer to this new east coast server.
Guess what? everyone will hate angerforge being allowed to transfer even if its even fresher than skyfury. Why? because you changed what the server means, because choosing to restart is not a simple decision.
Again make the server from the start transfer, and we save all this issue. No one bothers to play it for the fresh start experience, and its a transfer server.
I do understand why that would be frustrating. But the transfers they are allowing are from a server that is 18 days older. Itâs what Angerforge would have inevitably looked like in less than three weeks.
Which raises the question: what is âFreshâ? Because it sounds like Fresh is the 3-week window of a new server opening. Utterly ephemeral, with no sustainable way to preserve it.
We signed up for everyone to be on a level playing field, to level up in a dynamic wpvp environment. Then in the weeks following, the economy would progress on an otganic level. People pushing for content would be the doing it with and against everyone that had had to earn it just like they did.
To your point though, if this came 3 weeks after the start of Angerforge, it may not have such impact. But this came 3 days after we started, not 3 weeks.
Way to miss the forest for the trees man.
Angerforge was represented as a fresh start, now it is no longer the case. This has nothing to do with the age of the server people are transferring from
Be it 3 weeks or 3 hours an advantage is an advantage and completely destroys the idea of a fresh server. But I grow tired of the players trying to make sense of Blizzards incompetence. Both servers are now considered massive failures in my eyes and until Blizzard can learn to do their job I will stay on Benediction.
So much of this issue is due to poor communication of intentions to players. They told people âYou cannot transfer to or from Angerforge, this is a fresh start realm.â
Few days later: âLol, nvm, get in here, Skyfury!â
Like, an off-loading secondary server for Skyfury to combat massive queues is fine, and creating a new no-transfer fresh start realm is fine, but like, pick one. And tell us.
They were always open to allowing transfers to the Fresh servers eventually. So, with respect, that was never on the table.
Does it not logically follow that Blizzard should release Fresh servers every 3 weeks to ensure people can continuously start on an âeven playing fieldâ? Or make a dedicated Fresh server that you must transfer off after 21 days? It seems pointless to chase something so fleeting and ephemeral.
The stacks of cash compared to the gold capped rmt boys on other servers is minimal. stacks of gold on fresh can be 1k. the comparisons arenât the same even though the complaints fall in the same category.
Itâs all relative. Scores of epic-decked 70s with nigh-unlimited disposable income (inasmuch as Sunwell dailies completely invalidate the pitiful amount of gold one can make in Azeroth) around still is not âFreshâ.
I could see some hyper-seasonal SOM server with ludicrous XP boosts. I could also see a SOM server that stages level caps 19, 29, 39, etc., so as to force lower-level content and PvP.
I am Schroedingerâs gnome, neither alive or nor dead until observed or punted.
Itâs pretty fresh. If you log on and do your dailies every day, gratz on you for making gold for wrath. Thereâs nothing wrong with legitly earned rich players, but on other servers its all RMT, making it unearned. The bots and farmers havenât had the opportunity to make tons of gold yet. so its different.