I mean, maybe? We do know that Azerite amplifies someone and their emotions as well I believe. So it could be something similar, however that is sort of doubtful considering the Frostmourne and Nerzhul were something entirely different from Azerite.
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People arenât expecting the entire story to be immediately laid out in front of them. What they are expecting, and quite reasonably so, is that the story Blizzard has put out to make sense within the confines of the world Blizzard has put out. Sira and Delaryn joining Sylvanas without question and of their own free will DOES NOT make sense within the confines of the world as weâve been shown - and Blizzard has done absolutely nothing but support the idea that this was done under their own volition. Good writing would have left people guessing, and left some mystery, or shown some indecision/conflict with the choice. This scenario did neither. Blizzard hasnât put out any vagueness or ambiguity about what has happened - quite the contrary, they have made it point to (again badly written) mitigate the possibility that this wasnât a choice made by the characters (example, Nathanos stating he and the Valkyr would âraise the willingâ). Also, your own example of âone bad appleâ further strengthens the argument this doesnât make sense as the entire Horde would be filled with bad apples. Youâre essentially saying that if you canât stand one or two pieces of rotten fruit, jumping head first into sewage is reasonable.
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While again as Iâve stated before I do sometimes feel that Blizzard often isnât the worlds best at conveying things, they have displayed a few number of things that have shown uncertainty to the Horde. When you click on multiple newly born Dark Rangers that are Kaldorei their VAâs sound very distressed and unsure how to handle their undeath. Same with a line that Delaryn says that seems slightly unsure how she feels, it went along the lines of âI feelâŚnothing.â Or something like that (Iâm not currently near her so I canât cite verbatim so I apologize). Another thing she states that makes it seem it is unlikely sheâs going to stay with the horde fully is, âI am on your side for now.â (again canât quote it verbatim but itâs along those lines).
This shows that to some degree, they have obvious plans of not exactly staying with the Horde. Something that wasnât shown fully, but is displayed if you click on them anyway. I believe that fits more along the lines of keep your friends close and your enemies closer. It could very be an Anti-Forsaken plot but still taking out people that she feels discontent with and feels that have abandoned their people entirely.
A lot of the BFA story line has been just bad writing. I mean take the entire assault upon the Undercity. I mean who in their right minds would attack what is essentially a plague product factor without thinking you should probably have a plan to counter it?!?
It is just bad writing, donât try to make sense out of itâŚ
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Youâre coming off as rather desperate to defend poor writing/development. Sorry but Iâve heard a lot of similar things being said to defend the lack of development of the Void Elf culture when they were introduced. âThey were just createdâ, âtheyâll show us more in the futureâ. All this time later, the only thing weâve seen of the Void Elves is them helping out in campaigns, not cultural or racial development. âMight beâ and âcould beâ tend to be left for conjecture and for someone else to deal with years down the road. Historically, if Blizzard doesnât show us story development right away, it doesnât happen.
Even âI feelâŚnothingâ or âI am on your side for nowâ doesnât make the writing any better or make the choice make sense. Keep in mind, I can totally grant them turning away Tyrande, Elune, etc, but there is not context or even the hint of context for them to turn TO Sylvanas and the Horde. Egads, all thatâs necessary for this to be improved would have been for the Kaldorei who were raised to mention how they feel the would never be welcome among the living, or speak some random craziness about how they feel their undeath is a blessing and they want to bring it to the rest of their people. Instead, Sira and Delaryn just unceremoniously jump into a boat with Nathanos, the most trusted lieutenant of the person who killed them, and left. Going back to parallels with Sylvanas and Arthas (which Blizz has said is INTENTIONAL), it would be the same as Sylvanas being raised with free will, and without any hesitation at all setting the torch to Silvermoon herself. It doesnât add up.
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A bit sad two people canât have a simple conversation on how they feel that they view things differently on a storyline without one calling someone âdesperateâ simply because they view the story not at all that unclear/poop compared to the other person. The void elf storyline was shoehorned and everyone knew this. It was given to the Alliance simply because Blizzard was tired of the High Elf business and didnât want to give them High Elves, but clearly knew that there needed to be something that would be considered a compromise because of this. As a result they simply did Void elves, everyone knows that this was probably something last minute and therefore thereâs no lore on them at all. Annoying, but still completely irrelevant to this storyline in general.
Again, Iâve agreed that theyâre not the best at conveying all information to people in game as people would like, so Iâm not sure how this is me desperately defending something when Iâm simply stating that in my very own opinion this isnât some barely planned out storyline if itâs clear theyâve given people some stuff to go off of. Whether it makes sense is up to the player/reader itself.
And again, I think youâve missed the point I was trying to make when you say thereâs no context to go to Sylvanas and the Horde. When I point out that she states sheâs on their side for now, itâs evident that in her head itâs more than likely a two birds with one stone ordeal. And Iâm well aware that the parallels are very similar with Sylvanas and Arthas, that much theyâve made extremely obvious to everyone. The only thing we arenât certain on is what they plan to do with Sira and Delaryn.
Once more Iâll point out that everything Iâve said has simply been my own opinion on the story, and I donât mind how theyâre taking it what so ever. If you disagree then thatâs fine, youâre allowed to have your own opinion just as I am.
This is one of the things that annoyed me and prompted me to write this post. Iâm just doing the Darkshore warfront and there is a conversation going on between Maiev and Sira.
Maiev says: âYou are a Warden no longer, Sira. You have abandoned everything we stood for.â
Sira responds with: âIt is you who abandoned us, Maiev. You burdened me with everything in your absence.â
SoâŚwhat, she revoked her place as a Warden, a protector, because Maiev gave her too much work to do?
Even to my generally willing-to-suspend-disebelief stand, thatâs a bit too much.
![:australia:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/australia.png?v=6" ":australia:")
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
what do you mean shouldâŚalready there on the horde DH. I do WQâs in Drustvar only now for honorable caches since it eases my conscience. Rest of the zonesâŚunless I really want that rewardâŚnope.
Not even sure why the hell I am here. DHâs donât do faction based on our bad attitude screw you all lore. Its not like we are alliance fans either. Our leader fried XeâRa which several alliance people jsut loved us for that ffs. We donât play well with others lol.
And is actually in theme for me. Demon, demon followersâŚlets tack on witches too. Close enough for me. I basically have the horde DH who is a the wannabe inquisitor. She canât have the title like this alliance one doesâŚbut yeah, my horde DH is no less a witch hunter than her.
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I think your giving Blizzard a little to much credit. They have never really shown that kind of subtlety with the story telling in World of Warcraft. Theyâre just not good enough at it.
If there is going to be an anti-Forsaken plot though, I doubt that there is, but if so, then how bad does that make Sylvanas look for so blindingly accepting them into the fold.
If they really are all in with the Horde though, then once again it is just bad story telling, because itâs just not believable.
Also, back to the Night Elves and humanity thing, I will just say again that they are not Humans. They donât think the same, they donât act the same, so I cannot ascribe the basic tenants of humanity to them. If I go into a situation with a Night Elf, I am not going to try and use humanity to try and figure out how and why they are going to act or react.
That is not to say that they are not basically good, they are, but goodness and humanity do not always go hand in hand.
Darkshore by far has some of the worst hack writing that Iâve ever seen. Sira and Delaryn getting upset because Tyrande wasnât there to hold there hands during the fight is bad writing. Theyâve fought battles before without Tyrande present. Sure the writers could have written in other figures to aid Malfurion but didnât . Now they try to argue that the new troll city raid is payback for Teldrassil. Yet Tyrande didnât want to attack Zandalar she wanted help reclaiming darkshore. The nightelves arenât even participating in the Zandalar raid. Sira , Delaryn and others turning against there own still doesnât make sense and lots of players see that. You canât come in here whiteknighting in defense of alex and danuser with there hack writing. It wonât work. Other alliance races could have aided the nightelves, but no the writers are at fault for that. They had majority of horde races with the battle of darkshore present. Showing that some how the hordes forces werenât spread thin. Yet the alliance forces were claimed to have been. Genn and the worgen could have aided them. Yet this is all because the writers. This is beyond garbage writing and hope Alex and Danuser are next to leave . I would be so happy if Activision made this happen.
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It doesnât make sense , she joined the person who basically killed all her loved ones, her home, her heritage - It like me killing your family and we become best buds the next day ⌠![:joy:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
BAD WRITING ![:-1:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/-1.png?v=6" ":-1:")
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Of course they have free will. They didnât have to become undead. They could have rejected the offer and stay in wisp form. Once they are undead they can pledge to the Forsaken. The writing has just been bad this expansion.
With all the youtube videos of activision cutting cost and pushing employees to leave. One can only hope that the writers are forced to leave. So we can get someone else that sticks to wow lore and doesnât retcon. Because darkshore story is that bad.
She yells that elune will watch the players burn like she watched the tree burn. So she has her memories which makes it inconsistent overall.
Now maybe maybe sylvanas does control her will but itâs weird when she needs to torture derek to subdue his will and that takes time while with this character itâs instant apparently as the moon is still black so tyrande just started or is right after her vengeance missionâŚ
Or maybe this is after the derek stuff and sylvanas gained more power by the souls of teldrasil she sent to the maw.
All they had to do is put a line as if she is aware but not in control of her actions, like kill me or free me smth like thatâŚ
But overall i lean more to just poor storytelling.
Iâd honestly be happier if I didnt need a series of novels to not go wtf happened here in the game.
It would certainly beâŚsurprising to raise Nathanos from the dead and immediately heâs like âhey Alliance we have to fight the Horde right nowâ. Not that I or anyone would actually want Nathanos on our side.