And this whole mess started because, way back in Cataclysm, some quest writer decided to use that trope instead of paying attention to what the Forsaken were.
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Again, it’d be fine… If Delaryn wasn’t working with Slyvanas. Speaking of negative emotions to amplify.
I’m good with them being kookoo for coco puffs, or going on a revenge spree that involves the night elf leadership who “should have done better.”
What’s odd is that they’re working with the people who murdered their people to murder more of their people… Despite both named night elf dark rangers being SO committed to their people that the loss of them shook their faith in life.
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Here’s Sira from the Horde quests Black Moon Rising and Where Hope Dies:
- Sira Moonwarden says: You will not win. We follow your every step.
Sira Moonwarden says: The end is close now.
Sira Moonwarden says: Scamper back to your Banshee Queen. We are coming for you.
Sira Moonwarden says: This is where it ends. You have nowhere else to run.
Sira Moonwarden says: Ash’al theradas!
Sira Moonwarden says: Spare me the trouble and die!
Sira Moonwarden says: Soon she will be here, and she will tear you to pieces.
Horde players aren’t given any reason to believe Sira is doubting Elune.
Undeath could have warped Sira’s mind, but she was fighting against the Horde with all her might, was killed by them, the was raised and joins to lead them. It is a 180 regardless of if it can be explained or not. And while it can be explained without mind control, having her mind corrupted by undeath so that she only focuses on her anger that she herself wasn’t saved isn’t much better.
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Lol at some of you guys defending this trash writing.
Imagine if Sylvanas was raised by Arthas and then when she got her free will back was suddenly like, “Wow! The Blood Elves deserve to die more! I am going to continue to work with Arthas even though he killed me and my people, I have lost all faith in my people and the Sunwell.”
That sounds stupid right? That’s how dumb the whole Sira and Delaryn situation is.
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And if BfA is any kind of indicator; 9.0 will be an epic failure lore-wise.
To echo what some people have already said, I don’t buy into the whole traumatic death leading to vengeance story arc.
A perfect example of this would be Sylvanas herself. Killed holding the line against the Scourge, she died protecting her people only to have most of them wiped out by the end. Even worse than the pair mentioned above, Sylvanas was forced to have an active hand in the attempt to wipe out her people.
Sylvanas was treated as a good and tragic character from Warcraft because she WAS tragic. What happened to Sira and Delaryn is that they died protecting their people, so if what you are saying is that they simply gave up on them because some God didn’t come to their rescue, then I don’t feel any sort of tragedy with regard to their story, only contempt.
How weak willed and pathetic do you have to be to betray your people and kill them in the name of faithlessness? To see that you believed in something and that is was all for naught, and instead of hating the monsters that caused that break of faith, or to hold in contempt the being you lost faith in, you instead go on to kill those you fought so dearly to protect who you thought would be saved by that very same God?
The mindset of, “She failed us, failed ME, so I will take it out on her by killing all the other people she failed!” is ludicrous! Insane! I can’t stress enough how if this really is all the depth to their mindset that I feel no pity for them or their deaths because their morality was paper thin and they don’t deserve my pity.
I mean FFS, the Forsaken have a solid reason for hating humans. The humans turned their backs on them and cast them out as monsters. Their was even a bit about Anduin wanting to bring together some of the Forsaken and the humans they were related to in life, though it didn’t work out.
I guess a TL;DR would be if that this is supposed to be an attempt to show that they lost faith and that it’s reasonable to understand that, they have failed miserably. I hold nothing but contempt and hatred for these characters who I view as nothing but weak willed monsters who need to be put down. Not because they deserve to be at peace, but because they are monsters.
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I don’t think they were raised with free will but either way the lore supports s newly risen undead being loyal to the one that raised them in the beginning. Idk how long they state of confusion lasts though. Again though I don’t think they were raised with free will I think their resurrection was a means of disheartening the elves attacking them
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Sira is shot in the face by Nathanos and upon being resurrected moments later she can’t stop herself from joining his side.
Delaryn is essentially Sylvanas 2.0 except she eagerly, willingly follows ‘Arthas’ after he massacres her people and curses her with undeath.
I’m not buying.
It’s egregious all around but, even entertaining the idea that this scenario of them renouncing their people is probable and sensible, the notion that they would join with their murderers breaks suspension of disbelief.
Captain Stone must have also deeply resented Kul Tiras for how she follows her own murderers like a lost puppy.
I’d also expect Lorash to become Malfurions bff if there were more consistency.
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I can’t help but wonder if the death deity that whispered to Vol’jin to name Sylvanas Warchief and whisked him away from his proper afterlife is responsible for the abrupt change of many of these raised night elves. It would explain exactly why Blizzard doesn’t want to answer questions about them at the moment. However it does create issues where if my theory is true the lack of a proper build up to the reveal can make it come off as an asspull.
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Slyvanas was allowed to keep her free will but compelled to act as part of artha’s sick torture. He wanted her to feel the anguish of wiping out her own people but powerless to stop herself.slyvanas’s situation was not the norm it was a torture designed specifically for her.
As a weird side note … I’ve had this bizarre thought that if Blizz really intends to keep these two on the Horde side in the long run (not as Sylvie’s puppets, but as developing characters) … I just can’t quite shake this feeling that the Forsaken NEs are meant to SAVE the Undead Elven factions (not be subservient to them). I feel like this fringe-crazed thought will have more shape the moment Velonara’s quest is revealed in more substance; but if the Sylvie ship is really going down (at least in that she will cease to be a member of the Horde) … I could see Blizz trying to find a way out for many of her Dark Rangers (and hell … the now established going extinct San’layn).
And what is morally gray actions if not horrible crimes with extra steps?
Y’know, the ‘funny’ part about Sira is that the only reason she died is because she didn’t follow orders. Maiev told her to scout for Horde movements, not engage them in combat.
She only has herself to blame for her death. Blaming Elune is just avoiding her own responsibilities.
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So, mind controlled, just not by Sylvanas? Doesn’t track with what Blizzard has said. And it does not solve another big issue with them. Nathanos knew they would join the Forsaken before they were raised. Even before Sira was killed. So, if your theory was the case, it also opens some new issues.
So, Sira and Delaryn were not allowed to keep their free will? Because that would seem to be the only way their it would make sense for them to want to join the side that just killed them.
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Right.
I’m saying that Delaryn willingly joining Sylvanas is like Sylvanas willingly joining Arthas.
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She was allowed to keep her awareness. Her will was suborned by Arthas.
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I can see ways of them writing that as being fine. Similar to how the entire pursuit of Arthas was to save the people of Lordaeron. And it led to him being their greatest doom.
Dude.
Try playing the warfront as Horde. Suddenly these Night Elves that joined the Horde like 5 minutes ago are in charge, and the whole thing is a screaming match between Night Elves who sound like they gargled with razor blades. And none of it makes any sense.
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Nothing about undead lore makes sense. Half the time undead long for their former life, the other half of the time they want to destroy their former friends. We don’t even know if Death Knights differ from forsaken or not.
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Thanks actually I couldn’t think of the right way to say that but yeah the wails of the banshee were screams of protest and anguish turned into a weapon to kill her own people pretty messed up stuff
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