Seeing I have to talent into SMF or TG and will lose the weapons I want over which ever is the better build. Might even need FOUR weapons just to play in different situations. 
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They need to just make it a transmog option and stop forking us over like this
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I think itās objectively better to have 2 playstyles available. Having four weapons isnāt that big of a deal. If anything, it gives you more to do. It will take the normal amount of time to get 2 weapons for one of the builds, and that will be good enough until you can collect the other 2 weapons. I am very much looking forward to playing Warrior in DF.
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youāre this close to being snapped in half for your ignorance ||
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āItās not that hard. Just go get it.ā - Asmongold
Obviously, thatās just me giving a dumb answer for the lols. But, there is some truth to it. The reason is that, whichever playstyle you prefer, you will have the gear for it in the same time as anyone else. If you decide you want to try the other playstyle later, you can pick up the extra weapons in the future. If you need to switch between both builds to be viable in a raid, then that is a potential problem, sure.
But, we donāt even know what all the gearing systems are going to be in the game. It could be easier to target things in DF. Or, it could take less time to grind it. On the same token, it could be harder and could take longer. We just donāt have the full picture yet. One thing we do know is that we will be able to trade loot again with the Group Loot option, so that alone could make it much easier to acquire gear.
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This isnāt even true just gearing for TG alone. Getting 2 2handers in pvp literally takes twice as much currency as every other class that needs to fill 2 weapon slots.
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PvP is a special case since you donāt gear up in PvP the same way you do in PvE. While it may be the way you described right now, it may not be the case in DF. The PvP gearing system could change, or there could be extra systems on top of what already exists.
What exists now isnāt necessarily indicative of what will exist in the future, especially with how open Blizzard seems to be to changing the game in substantial ways for Dragonflight.
Itās not always the case though. To guarantee 2handers for yourself you basically need to lootspec Arms. Not the biggest issue, but an annoying one to be sure. Otherwise you might get a 2h, then a 1h and youāre basically screwed till you get a match for either. The only way to guarantee a 1h is to loot-spec Prot, which you then run into the potential headache of getting shields or prot trinkets.
Make it a transmog option and thereās no issues.
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WhIlE It mAy bE ThE WaY YoU DeScRiBeD RiGhT NoW, iT MaY NoT Be tHe cAsE In dF
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Itās objectively true. Do you have stances right now? Are you able to use Die by the Sword in all specs right now? Are you able to Berserker Rage your whole party right now? Is Group Loot in raids in the game right now? Before yesterday, could you do different M+ dungeons in different seasons of the same expansion? Who is to say there wonāt be new things that change up PvP content and gearing? The game is having bigger, permanent changes made now than the last several expansions.
EDIT: Another thing I just thought of: Crafting is getting a major overhaul. It seems like different materials for crafting will come from different kinds of content. I wouldnāt be surprised if, using materials gathered from PvP, you could make PvP weapons that are on par with ones you can get by other means.
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1-handed weapons and 2-handed weapons are fundamentally different. The trees allow you to gain functionality with one or the other. It seems to primarily be buffing SMF to compete with the obvious advantages of TG. Iām looking forward to getting my hands on DF to theorycraft some SMF builds. Iāll probably narrow down my weapon search with loot spec prot and maybe even mess around with a shield.
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No. SmF should just be removed. Why balance it with 2handers? Itās just going to annoy more people than make happy. Thereās no point in regressing. duelwielding 2 handers is the unique thing only fury warriors can do. Itās their theme. In no world nor universe should 1handers EVER beat out 2 2handers. It just isnāt right. Just make it cosmetic and thatās all you need.
Itās not their core theme and it never has been. It is simply an addition on the side which some people like and others donāt. How could something which was added years after Fury Warrior already existed be their core theme? Are you suggesting Fury Warrior had no core theme or identity before TG? Then what drew many players into that specās class fantasy so much?
The core theme is and always has been that Fury is the fast-attacking, frothing-at-the-mouth, bloodthirsty rager that swings wildly at enemies with reckless abandon. In the beginning, TG didnāt exist. In my eyes, TG could be removed and the core theme of Fury would remain untarnished.
All the balance problems between SMF and TG that TG enjoyers constantly complain about could be solved by simply removing TG just as easily as removing SMF, and TG has existed for less time. So, would you like that? Would you like to solve the balance problems by removing TG? Iām sure you wouldnāt. And neither would the people who enjoy 1hāers like SMF being removed or reduced to an aesthetic. There should be two different playstyles with options that equally support both, and they should be very close in power level.
The real problem is that people who prefer TG are currently scared that SMF will become the new meta, and so they want SMF removed. Iām sure SMF enjoyers have wished TG was removed for years now. How about we all just hope that both are good and equal instead, or that each one is good at its own thing in 2 completely different playstyles that arenāt as easily compared?
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Bruh. What? Fury Has 100% moved over to 2handers now.
duelwielding 2 handers is something unique only to fury. if you want that experience the only place you can get it is from fury, yeah? That has a metric ton of value. Iām sorry, but 1hās are already used by so many classes. demon hunters, monks, Frost Dkās, rogues, and Enhancement shaman. There is nothing unique or interesting about Fury joining that list.
So this isnāt even a biased opinion here, just a fact. Titans grip has made fury unique, and has become their identity. If ever 1h takes over 2h fury in any way then the theme has failed and a bit of uniqueness has just gone down the drain.
Iām sorry, but I canāt even comprehend that thing you blurted out as an opinion. Itās just nonsense. Just no. Please, leave fury alone and stop ruining it. Go play rogue if you wanna duelwield 1h, or any of the other multitude of 1h melee specs around. Yeeshā¦ next youāll sk for paladins to start duelwielding 1 handersā¦
Youāre half right that what you said isnāt an opinion, and youāre half right that what I said is an opinion. It is a fact that TG makes Fury more unique. But, it is not a fact that it is their core identity. For something to be the core identity, it has to have always existed, and it has to be at the very heart of the aesthetic of the class fantasy. Now, on to what I said, which isnāt very hard to comprehend, and mostly isnāt my opinion:
Fact: TG didnāt used to exist, and Fury still had a core theme. The heart of the identity of Fury has never been wielding two 2handers. Sure, it is a unique aspect of the spec now, but it is not the heart of the spec or its core identity. The core identity is the frothing berserker that attacks fast with brute strength and rage in his or her eyes.
Fact: The balance problems between TG and SMF could be solved by removing either one.
Fact: Neither people who like TG nor people who like SMF would want what they like removed from the game.
The only part that is opinion is the last part of my post. And it is an educated guess from the facts I just listed. So yes, it is an opinion of mine that there should be playstyles supporting both, and it is an opinion of mine that people who only want TG to exist want it because they donāt want anything to compete with their preferred aesthetic.
As for your final words, āGo play rogue if you wanna dual wield 1h,ā I have a very simple answer for you as to why I donāt want to do that. I donāt like the class fantasy of rogue. I donāt like being the sneaky, backstabbing, dexterous type. I like being the frothing berserker that swings wildly with rage in his eyes. You know, the heart of the identity of Fury Warrior.
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I donāt care dude. People who like SmF are such a tiny mnority of people I could care less what they have to say. SmF could be removed and only a few would whine over it. You remove the most unique thing Fury has with TG and youād better believe thereād be riots.
So donāt go comparing that garbage SmF which brings an experience you can get several other places to TG which has been the defining feature of fury for years now. Just ridiculous.
SmF just needs to go. You should be thankful people are willing to compromise it as a customization option instead of fully removing it honestly.
āI could care less what they have to say.ā
Thereās no point in trying to reach a common ground if one side is not allowing their bias to come to a solution. To be clear, I never once suggested removing TG. I only said that the balancing issues would be solved just as easily if it were. In fact, I said both should exist. Why do you not want it to exist? Why would you prefer a world where it doesnāt exist over a world where both exist and have their own unique playstyles, especially if those playstyles were for types of content or damage profiles that donāt compete with one another?
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You have no idea what youāre even saying. Such a strange world youāre living in if you donāt understand why I wouldnāt want SmF to stick around.
Dunno if youāve been living under a rock sinceā¦ the conception of this game but blizzard has been terrible at balancing things. They can never get anything between 5% damage of each other. Thereās always a disparity between builds and talents. There will always be a meta, always a defined way to play
If ever there is a chance in hell that SmF is the meta of this expansion then Fury is just ruined for so, so, so many people. And you know what? Itās very possible to have happen.
SmF and TG will never be balanced with each other. One will be better than the other, and you have to get that through your skull
I will not stand for that. I do not want to regress back to classic and start using 1handers again! Fury has come a long way since then! You would just throw its development right out the toilet!?
Thereās no damn compromise to be made here! One has to go!
Anyways. May I add on content does compete with each otherā¦ people donāt just stick to JUST raiding or JUST M+. People do both at the same time. Plus, in raids there are add fights and aoe bosses. It will always compete. I wonāt have 2 separate weapon types in my inventory at all timesā¦ hell noā¦
Iām very aware of their history of balancing issues. But, for years, there havenāt been old school style talent trees. Now, thereās more room for divergence and more knobs to twist to tune things. They may still fail to do so even now, but I do think it is more possible now than it was before. I also think thereās more room for nuance in the different playstyles, perhaps not even related to damage. It is possible to tune the damage numbers to be within 1% of each other, and then add different defensives and utility to each playstyle. It doesnāt have to be the case that one is for single target and the other is for AOE.
But, if it does end up being that way, then having two sets of weapons for each isnāt even that big of a deal, especially considering, with the new crafting revamp, youāre probably going to be able to use materials gathered from raiding to craft or have crafted whatever weapons you want, at raid quality.
No. I do not want to swap weapons. Why make this a fury problem? Why make this a problem at all? There is no reason to force you to have to swap weapons just to create a playstyle. You can easily get rid of needing 1handers, but retain the playstyle through talents. The talent system allows that. Thereās literally no point in what you want! Just transmog the 1h over the 2h, pick the talents that give you the same damn playstyle you have with SmF, and boom. Youāre playing SmF, but without the headache of needing to get multiple weapon types. Doesnāt that just make a whole lot more sense? Why do it the difficult way? You people vex me.