Since there’s a 30 per day limit

Why not? Why not 1 instance per hour? Why not 1 instance per day? What is so sacred about the number 5 that other numbers are not compelling?

Is it “no changes”? If so, there was no instance cap for a big part of vanilla and there was certainly no 30 instances per day. I think it’s pretty safe to say that no changes doesn’t apply here.

Is it your flimsy pretext of server stability? You have already conceded that it probably isn’t that.

What is it then? Why is 5 such a magic number that you can not possibly conceive of any other value?


You are a troll! Exploitive and automated behavior encompasses both bots and boosters, arguing that the word bot isn’t in the post is ridiculous.

I think the limit is dumb personally. I don’t know why blizz can’t:

  1. raise the height of a few ledges so mobs do not follow and reset
    And or
  2. Add a locational tether point in instances that auto resets mobs it they are kited too far.
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I’m sure every feral Druid would only want to run instances on their Druid… I’m sure they don’t have alts at all. With aq on the horizon. Even bears are going to need more mcp. Especially when the raid wipes on huhuran or c’thun. Maybe it would be ok if they didn’t have those boots on the drop table.

Bears make excellent tanks especially because they have so much armour. If you only have time for 1 day a week to farm it, what happens if you get 5 that day? Is 5 going to last for all raids that week?

I agree that if they keep this 30 lockout/ day, they should get rid of the 5 per hour limit. But if you are in the mindset of “let them suffer because they do something I’m not willing to do, then go ahead and have that mindset. That mindset is what brought us bfa.

My argument is that the change was not “sold as a solution to botting”. I acknowledge FULLY WELL that it was to address (but not entirely solve) both botting as well as what I believe blizzard was viewing as excessive, bordering on exploitative, gameplay in regard to frequency of instances.

But hey, if shrieking “YOU ARE A TROLL!” makes you feel good, you do you.

Because neither of those address the absurd frequency people were running instances. Unless you want to pretend that is not part of their reason for literally capping the frequency of instance resets.

The exploitive behavior is certain classes ability to use pathing and ledges to get around dungeon mechanics. Both bots and boosters do this in at least dm, st, zf, and zg to defeat dungeon mechanics.

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Gonna need a source for that.

let’s look at 2 simple things…

1. all automated behavior is exploitative
2. not all exploitative behavior is automated

why would they need to add exploitative if their meaning was just for automation, when automation is 100% exploitative? :thinking:

it’s fine though, i’ll let you die on this mole hill - you just reply with insults anyhow.

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Wrap your head around this:

The big cat and the fat cat.
The big and fat cat.

The exploitative gameplay and the automated gameplay.
The exploitative and automated gameplay.

Do you see how the meaning changes because of the noun placement? You’re embarrassing.



If you chop out the entire post and leave only the insults, then yeah great point.

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Blizzard never says exactly why, they use the exact language from the ToS which is itself vague. Any mechanic that allows you to defeat mobs or bosses by using ledges and or pathing is exploitive. Bots and boosters used these exploits to defeat the dungeons not as intended. If you outgear a dungeon and aoe down a bunch of mobs, that’s not exploitive. If you jump on a ledge to reset or force the mobs to path differently, that’s exploitive. Vanilla was v1 of a game that was more polished in v2, tbc.

Pirate server players found every exploit in all the dungeons to defeat mechanics as a solo player. Blizzard doesn’t seem interested or capable of physically patching the terrain. They are leaving them in, but limiting how often you can do it with the caps. Unfortunately the pirate server players who made you tube videos on how to defeat mechanics with exploits, caused a cap on all dungeons, because blizz isn’t going to patch the terrain.

Who knows, maybe blizzard was referring to the botting as exploitative AND automated. You can only assume the actual meaning. You won’t know for sure without clarification.

Blizzard has defined exploits as cheating in multiple threads. Fly hacking, clipping, speed hacking, automated gameplay etc. Playing the game a lot (even in dungeons) is not an exploit.



Seems pretty clear to me.


I’m not a fan of people cheesing dungeons to get RTVs, but the OP makes a great point. Just let people hit the 30 per day cap as fast as they want to.

Again, if the 5/hr coupled with 30/24 is what is set up, naturally spreading out instance runs rather than allowing them all to be clumped into a short play session, to what benefit to blizzard, the economy, and gameplay of the average player, is there to remove the 5/hr cap?

The OP does NOT make a great point. The OP just wants to be able to cheese instance resets at a higher frequency.

Make the instances harder if you don’t want them to be cheesed. You are basically telling people to play inefficiently. If your advice is to not cheese it the just put all boomkins in party and see how that goes. Ur what tell them they can only wear white and grey gear. As a matter of fact, just make em go naked. That way we can scoff at the ability to Cheese instances.

You want to know what the benefit to blizzard is? Not having so many people in capital cities that it stresses the servers. Not everyone has herbing and we certainly don’t want to inhibit your herb route. Another benefit to blizzard is that people won’t be constantly retrying to enter instances. Once they hit 30 they are done. In bed you can stretch arena runs with anger and golem and still be locked out. Once at the 5 cap you’ll continue to go in until you are unlocked… there is no timer.

How about this. let them track their instances? No? Then you just like having this update in the first place out of spite.

How are you this lacking in brain matter. What do you think they mean by automated gameplay?

Everyone on this forum would be better off just not reading anything misadventure has to say lol. The dude donated his grey matter.

Welcome to reputation farming since TBC… enjoy!

But seriously, how silly do you have to be to take a decade break and then gripe about a decade worth of changes and iteration?

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Retail sucks hard he had every right to be disgusted.

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