I’m on my third tank of copium, hoping that the reason warlocks have gotten so little attention is because they are planing on reworking the class tree in 11.1.
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Let’s be real. All developers play paladin.
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In the last YEARS this “next patch they will buff us” NEVER, N E V E R, happened. Forget about it, we will be like this til 11.1 when they prob do a global 5% buff that changes NOTHING.
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I have to wonder if affliction is just this bad or if I’m playing it wrong lol. Like it does good enough in delves but like mythic+ it feels like such a slog and then in raid it can be very hard to pull off good numbers with all the movement and even best case scenario still feels lackluster. I’ll keep trying to improve and get better gear
Worst expansion fir warlocks tbh. Affliction’s dos was all padded damage and were just weak in general. Destro was a dot spec lmao. I remembered fuming every buff it got and targeted immolate and the imp while the direct damage were all piss poor. Its damage in pvp was terrible.
I was a warlock all the way but this was the expansion that made me enjoy my shadowpriest and frost mage waaayyyy more.
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As much as I’m a massive doomer on warlocks atm, this just seems completely delusional.
Destro was buffed two separate hotfix patches pre-tier this expansion due to feedback from mythic raiders specifically outlining how terrible it was going to be coming into the tier.
I’m nearly certain the tuning patch that will be announced this week sometime will have buffs for all three of our specs. Whether they’re greater than 3% is tbd, but I’m quite confident in saying that we are on the buff radar.
And before the rebuttal is “5% won’t do anything”, this is just demonstrably false, as participation rates and throughput increased markedly after the destruction buffs this expansion. Whether this makes us more viable specifically for higher-end m+ and being “meta” to be invited into groups, I doubt it.
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We can be somewhat realistic in stating that even if all of our specs got 20% aura buffs and we became the new raid kings, our specs would still feel clunky and not great to play in a lot of cases.
Until they address the elephant in the room that is mobility casting (maybe even mobility in general), its an uphill climb. It would be nice to have some capacity to cast our spenders while moving (generators would stay as they are), or to not have 10-15 seconds of setup just to actually deal big damage with two of our specs. They’ve proven they can take old classes and revamp them to a modern playstyle. It’s now a question of when it will be our turn.
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I don’t think even a 20% aura buff would make us the new raid kings…
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Frost DK’s / Enh Shaman / Arcane Mages are doing so much more than any warlock spec i’m not sure a 20% aura would even match them. I’m still unsure the reasoning as to why they got buffed yesterday when they were already ahead.
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It’s been 48 hours now since I made this post. Still silence from blizzard. At this point, I don’t think they want anyone playing Warlocks in this expansion. I guess we should take this as their acknowledgement we should all just quit WoW.
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Not having any spec to work with feels really bad. I understand not all specs can be great - but to have no option that even performs at a middle level is pretty disconcerting.
Was in raid with my friends barely geared mage and hunter and he was outperforming most classes effortlessly. I was thinking to myself this is so pointless putting in so much time and effort to a class blizz will not tune properly. I am trying all day everyday to min/max gear etc etc on lock while other classes just face rolls us effortlessly. It’s been how long now since the devs could have better tuned and fixed locks better?
No point complaining. Might as well level and gear some other class. At this point you know very well the devs have no clue what they are doing and don’t really seem to have the time to look into some classes except a few. With the amount of bugs and stuff going around lately I doubt they even play this game or quality test it anymore.
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Honestly I think Blizzard are trolling their fans. Maybe there’s a rogue agent in there trying to stir the pot and cause chaos.
I’ve already canceled my subscription and the Christmas 1-year subs for 12 nieces and nephews that play. I’ll be here March 2025 when sub expires and they will be not be playing in 45 days. This is 100% a failure of leadership, developers, marketing accountants, piss poor priorities and planning, lying to players at the 2023 Blizzcon, and providing a game that unless i played it previously, would 100% not be worth $10.00 as a one time purchase. They ignored every post in forums, bug reports since beta, make changes to AWC classes only, then issue a patch that was never playtested by anyone with integrity thus breaking the game.
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Remember when Blizzard listened to feedback on the forums?
Pepperidge farmer remembers
Now if it isn’t front page reddit -nobody cares.
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Some people will see this as a joke, but that just goes to show that they have no idea how dire our situation is.
It would take a nearly 40% buff for us to be on top for all specs
Balancing has actually never been this bad for us. We usually have at least one middling spec.
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Did a few miiinor tactical edits to make your post a bit more true to form. I hope that’s alright. Agree with ya.
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This is extreme hyperbole. No, 40% is not needed to make us an exceptionally good class or “on top for all specs”. That’s insanity, and isn’t even backed up by real data, which btw is pointing to ~15% which would put us on top of everybody (outside of the outrageous tuning of ele which was actually smaller than 40% if you can imagine that). Not to mention affliction actually doing really well in m+ metrics atm.
Outside of absolutely extreme tuning like this, the only legitimate way to increase the liklihood of us being taken to keys is if they somehow gave us a way to spread curse of tongues instantly to every mob in a pack in m+; utility is the way to become meta, not outrageous buffs like the one you’re talking about.
Yes, it has, but that was early legion and almost 8 years a go.
Just for reference, if each spec were to get a 6% aura buff next reset, this would place every single one of our specs likely slightly above average in overall metrics within raid. Anything above a 10% would likely put us in the “very good” category. To expand further, the reason affliction is so low is because good players are simply not playing it on the fights that matter – broodtwister/queen on mythic are locked to diabolist specs, and aff is actually the best spec for council progression.
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People have clearly forgotten the pre and post Xelnath era. In Classic, Warlock was good. BC improved it with Incinerate becoming a staple spell. Yet then Warlock languished for much of Wrath and Cata. Could be argued DKs stole much of their thunder in Wrath. But one thing is for sure. They went on to become insanely good in MoP.
Sadly, this was followed up by the aforementioned Dev being terminated; with many believing internal office politics / class favoritism were a cause based off his statements. It sure didn’t help that the next Dev (supposedly openly admitted they played and preferred Mage), and then engaged in a series of what looked like to many, petty and vengeance fueled nerfs. In essence, things one might expect from High School Jocks; not a AAA Game Studio.
Despite this, I managed Mage Tower on my Lock, Shaman, Paladin, and Priest. …So honestly, IDK.
I know this is largely where the “Blizzard favors Mage” memes and sentiments originate from though.
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Looking at the 11.0.5 warcraft logs for raids -ele shaman is at 105 score and Warlock destro/affliction are at 75 score.
A 40% overall buff would bring our score to 105. 3 points, higher than ele!
second highest before being hunter.
If we take into account M+ logs, it is different. Affliction some how is near the top at 81 average points where as Demo/destro are at 77 points. Top being 84 averaged(aug evoker big surprise). A 40% buff wouldn’t do much let alone a 15%(destro was just nerfed by 8% in dps according to the sims) because we wouldn’t even be able to take advantage of it. Spellcasting is the problem with warlocks. In m+ affixes play a key part in this.
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