make the sigils buyable with conquest blizz!
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You haven’t explained why the relic is so important, just that “it is”.
Also, just because I post on my retail char, doesn’t mean I don’t know about DKs, or WoTLK DKs. I play a DK in WoTLK. I just don’t do arena or pvp, so honestly, I am confused how a relic that gives you a boost to one of your spells makes it so without it you are trash.
You could outline for example that due to the nature of arenas, death coil is your biggest DD now that gary has been nerfed, and so that added value this brings to DC makes it so that you are competitive…something like this is what I figure all the noise is about, but maybe spell it out a bit clearer rather than focusing on the sigil should be on the vendor because without it you cannot arena…
Man look at the rest of the thread if you’re actually curious… Darius made a detailed post about the relative power spike from the sigil. Essentially it’s akin to (and even better than) upgrading your entire pvp set by a full tier.
From a design perspective, DK relative strength diminishes throughout the expansion as armor pen and crit continue to rise among melee classes. Eventually specs like prot war become viable and even superior to non-shadowmourne DKs.
The class gets a lot of hate that is in my opinion well deserved for how stupidly strong unholy was in phase 1 PVE encounters and for how many people jumped on the DK train at launch. I think that feeling blinds a lot of the playerbase to the reality of PVP as a DK though. While we are certainly strong right now, there are mathematical limitations from not having a mortal strike/root breaks/hard CC that become much more apparent as time goes on. It requires an evolution of the playstyle into a more magic damage based melee/caster hybrid that this particular sigil becomes the foundation of.
I’m not saying great players won’t continue to adapt and succeed as they always do, but it would be a huge relief if the sigil came standard so they don’t have to worry about the loot gods giving them the finger every week. There’s no downside except for sour grapes from the #nochanges crowd who, if they actually lived up to the stuff they preach, would have quit long ago.
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You are asking to change an entire raid tier’s gearing options so ONE CLASS can be good in PVP.
No. Absolutely not. It doesn’t matter HOW good the sigil is for you in PVP. That is an absolutely insane thing to ask.
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Changing an entire raid’s “gearing options”? What does that even mean?
It’s not insane to ask for this at all… If Blizz says no then we’ll deal with it. Nobody is saying saying gear should be given out for free. In fact we still have to participate in Ulduar to get our BIS items anyway. We’re telling you that our class is heavily reliant on one piece of gear because of the nature of the itemization/class design philosophy Blizz has applied to classic.
Nothing about this should concern anyone but DKs and it’s really strange to see so many replies from people who can’t be bothered to come up with solutions let alone do the research to have an informed opinion on it.
Pretty sure if I made a thread about how DKs are underrepresented in glad/r1 and I asked for a buff to Death Coil to bring us in line you’d find some other excuse to tell me I’m wrong, so let’s not pretend your opinion is actually about how gearing works in this phase. Like, why does this concern you at all?
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Why can’t I just buy val’anyr from a vendor? Come on blizzard. Affects literally nobody.
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You want Blizzard to add relics/sigils that don’t belong in badge gear to badge gear. That changes what options we have available as PVEers to gear our character. No. That is stupid.
It concerns literally everyone who is raiding Ulduar this tier. The solution is loot it, just like everyone else did back in original Wrath, or play a different class in PVP, or get good.
I don’t care about PVP. I care about PVE. Your suggestion effects PVE. Therefore, it is my concern.
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How exactly does it affect PVE in any way that matters? A DK could do 70ish more DPS on single target fights by buying an item with the badges they earned from clearing the current content… and then do slightly more damage in your raid to the detriment of some unknown victim? A good feral wouldn’t be worried about that at all. However, someone concern trolling in a thread that’s none of their business might.
Again, how does this concern you besides being an excuse to stretch your typing fingers? Name the harm that’s being done if a higher percentage of players earn this item through other means than a random drop?
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You do realize what you are asking for buffs SEVERAL different classes and specs right? Not just DKs? Or are you literally asking for ONLY the DK sigil to be added, and literally none of the other non-ranged item slots to be added?
You keep talking about DKs DKs DKs. It changes a BUNCH of classes, unless you are just being selfish for your OWN class, in which case this topic is even dumber than it was before.
Advocating for my class doesn’t make me selfish.
How would this change anything that you care about? Give us specific examples please. Calling a topic dumb when you haven’t done the work to understand what is being argued speaks to the frivolity of your contribution here.
I’ll give you another shot to reply with specifics in good faith, but I’m not gonna keep engaging with the low quality posts you’ve been making.
Advocating a complete gear change because of one class absolutely makes you selfish.
What specifics? You buff people, things get easier. That goes against the entire purpose of this tier. It is supposed to be hard. So instead you want to allow more people to be able to buy more gear. No.
If you want to advocate for your class, then do it WITHOUT effecting every other class that uses a non-weapon ranged slot. Because what you are asking for changes things not for just DKs, but for Druids, Shamans, and Paladins.
And if you seriously want them to only add YOUR sigil because of PVP, then yes. It is a completely asinine idea. Have them come out with an exclusive PVP one for all I care. Just leave PVE out of it.
Your arguments are literally “that’s stupid”, “this topic is dumb”, and “no”
If anyone can do their homework and make the PVE argument stronger than “I don’t like this” please feel free.
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You need to do your homework, mister.
in naxx it was possible to buy sigils/relics, etc. for all classes, and I don’t see that it broke the game
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yes put all the relics/sigils/totems ect on the vendor. its a 15 year old game no need to sweat over this content just have fun 1 last time
This is one of the strong, underlying arguments that advocates against putting these items on a badge vendor seem to forget.
Who exactly are we buffing and how outside of a minor pve upgrade to DK’s which pales in comparison to the Death Coil utility this creates in PVP settings?
And I am playing 3 ferals all at the highest pvp level, Blizzard needs to make Feral gear all from vendors because of my extremely niche situation that I myself decided to do, despite being incredibly stupid.
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This is so melodramatic.
You’ll be ok.
Also OP is 100% in here agreeing with himself on multiple characters. Freak.
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So with how super popular DKs are in arena… I really don’t think you have much of an argument saying you’re at your most “nerfed” state.
That’s honestly ridiculous.
Maybe every other class doesn’t need DKs to all have a powerful sigil?
Hope you all learn to cope and pound sand.