Yeah? Did you miss that this post is about the time sync?
The entire content is cleared the time sync was part of that effort even for the best of the best.
Stop being hateful
I guess I’m missing something here since I don’t raid - and I imagine a majority of players couldn’t care less about having the highest level gear possible when there’s so much else to do…and, I’m sorry, but M+ and Casual do not belong in the same sentence - ever.
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Yeah the biggest problem with Mythic plus is that it affects raiding. If M plus was balanced also around the sets not working and not needing to raid we’d have a whole different game. Those who only want to M+ likely wouldn’t care, and those who only raid wouldn’t as well.
Maybe mythic plus has it’s own optimal set pieces and trinkets designed for it that make them as good as the raid trinkets and sets. The problem is Blizzard can’t balance anything so we’re left with this clown fiesta where people feel they need to M+.
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I think every expac gains and loses players for various personal reasons. I think DF is the one that broke my spirit - my reasons may coincide with others, but … it is what it is.
It seems every expansion they break something to fix something. True, they can’t please everyone. You just have to make your own decisions.
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You are correct.
My last mythic progression was in bfa Jaina. Up until then it was still possible to do it without M+ cross over other than casual fun.
I came back to find that’s no longer the case.
For me it was SL that broke my spirit. I left the game for over a year and just came beck after getting roped in by the “free” three day thing. I’d like to that DF is better than SL, but worse than BfA and Legion…
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Dude- not everyone loves to raid. Why should people be forced to raid?
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Right. So.
I guess I don’t see the problem for people.
I am unwilling to put in the time and effort necessary to raid mythic, so I don’t. I have plenty of things to do in game. I enjoy pushing keys, I clear AOTC with a chill guild that isn’t in a hurry, I raise up alts, I slowly max out professions, I slowly clear out achievements and reps …
You get to choose your own commitment to the game. No one is making you clear mythic raids.
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Well, according to “sources” everyone raids and it’s the definition of the game…
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time sink? or sync? I am literally confused.
Im already doing things in the old world over DF, its too bright and colorful over there, Raz reminds me of Barney for some reason
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I hung with SL partially because of covid, and because basically I did anything other than SL. I waited patiently hoping for the best in this expac. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot of good stuff here, but it just seems broke despite all the supposed positives. Yeah, well … if I said one word why on this current gd I’d get creamed. Lol not setting myself up there.
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Why? I can dip into M+, do my 10s 11s or whatever it is I’m currently up to and dip out. Casually.
M+ is one of the best things to ever happen to wow. It makes dungeons relevant for the entire expansion.
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Maybe to you, it does. The idea of having to do everything exactly the way some YouTube video says just to get the “best” gear is absolute lunacy. If I wanted to play a game where every move I was making had to be completely scripted I think that I could find some nice boring platform games for my PlayStation…
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That’s not playing casually though. That’s following a talking head and trying to squeeze every possible source to get the best gear as soon as possible. Some may like that style of play but it’s definitely not for me. My highest geared character is 388. I could be 400 or over if I really pushed it. I’m just not that concerned with it.
That’s been pve in wow since 2004.
Right. You choose aotc content at a slow pase. And therefore can be chill with it all the way if your team mates agree.
My choice was mythic prog. Which never before required M+. Now it does. So I’m unable to play at the difficulty level i like unless i far increase time sync. Because because of failure to balance by devs. So my choice
Its about a system that artificially contrains the player choice in order to drum up played time metrics.
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Right.
So either do, or don’t. 
I agree…raiding is mandatory to push keys because of the 4pc and Rasz bow, they should remove raiding or release the catalyst much sooner
Sure, but the average player isn’t clearing AotC in week 1 with M0 loot.
Most of us are going to take a few weeks.
I’m not sure how you expect anybody to take you seriously when you say DF is more time demanding than classic.