This, exactly!
Shimmer isn’t going anywhere. With the possible exception of vastly overtuned fire mages atm (which almost undoubtedly will get nerfs at some point) it’d ruin the class without compensatory changes. Deep freeze being added back would give conditions for shimmer to be removed but they won’t do it.
The world poly used to exist in pre-deep and pre-shimmer would literally prune both melee AND healer mobility by a good 60-70% of what it is now. In WOTLK at the height of mage casting and nothing like shimmer existing you’d get very upset melee players who’d probably spend a good 75-80% of the game in roots/slows. Go back to BC where warrior literally couldn’t use charge in combat and you could blink every intercept, the mobility was staggeringly low for most melee and people got mad about it. The idea of every healer having the sort of insane mobility spells they have now would have never even crossed players’ minds.
Shimmer might be hated but there’s no easy way to address it unless you add back deep freeze. Without deep it’d both (1) gut mages completely from meta and (2) make the only viable comp in the game for mage RMX because it’d be the only way you’d ever have a chance to consistently get a poly on healers.
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No. Nice try though.
I 100% agree with this. Shimmer punishes good positioning, deep freeze would allow mages to set up their own cc. While this would still allow kicks to happen if the mage were to deep freeze sheep.
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I wouldn’t mind sprint on a 5 minute cd no slow suppresion. Shadowstep sub only.
Heroic leap gone, charge can’t be used in combat and only intercept and 5-8 kiting
No bladestorm/avatar root breaks either. Or blanket spell reflect for 3 seconds.
No divine steed or 70% pally slow. Can also kite enhance again much easier.
I don’t think melee realize how much mobility would be pruned if we went back to BC levels of mobility for them. Good riddance short CD vanish, sprint and suppression immunity, along with warrior stormbolt, root breaks, immunities and gap closers.
Its funny how people even complain about shimmer without acknowledging the arsenal of utility melee have and the uptime with it. Also same snare power makes it worse. They gap close, you both slow each other 50%- you aren’t going anywhere without double shimmer or using a 30 second root cd.
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Shimmer is bad for the game, just remove it .Also bringing back the original deep freeze where you can burst into would be nice.Just listed 2 healthy ideas for the game to reintroduce because this game has been in a cancerous state for a while now…
i know the struggle
they killed PW:S for priests in BfA ):
Are you on drugs ? Do you even play this game ?
Fire mage is allowed to use master level arcane spells while mastering ring of frost while using flame spells.
but bm hunter? nah not allowed to have a pet, nerf it by 30%.
The difference is the mage has to spend globals CCing and doing things.
Pets dont use hunter GCDs, have near infinite uptime, share player DR and does its own dps. Why should an NPC carry a players inability to learn a rotation or class.
What if every class had a minion that did everything for you, and all you had to do was auto attack and hit a DoT for max pressure and damage. Thats how everyone feels about BM
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Please remove prot warriors from any discussion.
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Yeah fire mage is much more difficult than bm hunter and its npc
Hunter pets don’t share DR with the hunter, that was only a WoD 4 set bonus.
To be fair, BM works totally differently now. You do spend GCDs for your pet to deal substantial damage. The set it and forget it design isn’t a thing anymore
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Amen man shimmer is dumb.
Mages were fine 10 years ago without Shimmer because melees did not have retarded amount of gap closers and snares.
Now even with Shimmer it’s still hard to get away melees and no one is disputing that, as you can see most complaints about it is shimmer around pillar to Polymorph.
If they want to remove shimmer while maintaining melees’ gap closers and snares then maybe make blink on a 10s CD and Ice Floes as base talent. Or better yet make it with 0 charges (permanent effect) and only affect spells with 3s cast or less.
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Hey…remember when ranged classes could kite melee, even if briefly?
Remove shimmer with no compensation, mages will be a dumpster fire.
Disregarding balance. Shimmer is actually a really cool ability.
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fire mages dont have many defensives, after their intial frost nova and double blink they arent going anywhere, just keep a dps with movement impair on the mage and he will eventually die since they cant kite
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could say the same thing about dots…except you need to spend multiple gcd’s for the pet to do dot damage.
Remember mistwalk? That was a fun ability… if it’s fun we must remove it.