if classic does great retail will have to step up its game.
Classic will not compete with BFA. 100k players return at best. Old school MMOs are not a new thing, and are very niche.
Vanilla experience. Warts and all. That’s what you all wanted, and that includes the players.
That includes the worst kind of people. If you couldn’t handle it in Vanilla, you won’t handle it in Classic. Even though you have many more tools than we did in Vanilla.
Got an issue with a troll? Right-click report. Much easier than having a fixed number of ignores. Ignoring people was a lot more difficult when they didn’t have chat filters or limits.
Then go play on a private server if you only want to play with your pserver crowd. This isn’t being made specifically for you and not for only how you want to play. Sorry, buddy, but you’re just not the center of Blizzard’s universe.
Also, newsflash, most of us in retail, played vanilla, we’ve been there since the beginning.
I love how this garbage is trotted out as a last resort by retailers who do not care about the damage to be done to classic.
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Crazy thing, classic is also intended for retailers to play on.
bfa is trash and wow will get worse next expansion if classic doesnt do well.
you should want classic to do good.
But there’s a crazy thing about opinions. For all the people enjoying BfA, it isn’t trash. There are other opinions besides your own out there.
Except Blizzard didn’t give millions of people who didn’t like the game free access. You aren’t as smart as you think you are.
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But nobody is getting free access. It costs money.
I didn’t forget that, I also didn’t forget this little speech of yours.
This is what leads us to believe that you just want a private server funded by Blizzard, where you and your supposed community can be, without mingling with icky retail players.
Instead of reaching out, and encouraging players, your response has always been to lump them in with your “Wall of No” when they have a different opinion.
Your concerns are about a community that has yet to exist, nor has no actual bearing on the existence of Classic. Your supposedly “objective” reasons are hampered by your anger at a bunch of people on a forum.
Instead of creating a community, you point at other people and say “don’t come here! We don’t play with your kind!” And look for ways to block them out.
Well, too bad, so sad, I have no sympathy for your plight against retail players whom you despise so much. I have told you that I try to embrace players, not try to shut them out.
If you don’t want the help, or the offer of friendship, then that is on you.
I’m looking forward to playing Classic with a lot of people, different from them as I am. That was Vanilla to me. Not just this closed community of depressing, spiteful rage against gamers who are different than you are.
They did. Trial copies existed in Vanilla. The Starter Edition is free to everyone and anyone.
Blizzard’s had the impetus to start following more mobile-gaming like business tendencies for a long time.
It’s just that when I point them out, folks like you aren’t listening.
I do want Classic to do good, for vanilla fans. I don’t want it to cater to everyone the way retail does. Classic isn’t about revolutionizing the dying MMO genre or bringing WoW back up to the 10+ million sub count, that isn’t going to happen.
Seriously, there are other legacy MMOs out there, look them up. Thousands, maybe tens of thousands in some cases. They do it for the small yet very loyal fan bases, not to get rich.
So now you’re saying that classic, which is too “similar” to retail, is more like a f2P game should be free? And the game it’s too “similar” too should have a sub? Huh?
And all this your arguments are predicated on pleasing the investors, but then you admit that they don’t make as much money as they could?
So not only is your business acumen lacking, basic logic seems to be as well.
That’s the difference. Blizzard is a multi-billion dollar corporation. Classic WoW isn’t what you think it is supposed to be.
It’s not a private server, it is a recreation of a big retail casual MMO, and that will include all of the issues of a “big” MMO, because that is the Vanilla experience.
I’m done arguing with you as you have nothing intelligent to contribute to the conversation. Farewell kid.
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That’s not how business works. Classic WoW money doesn’t go into a special Classic WoW checking account that only supports Classic. When you buy a Blizzard product, you’re funding everything Blizzard does, not just the stuff you like.
I’m saying that if Blizzard wants to stay in business like it has been, it won’t be free, but it could be.
Your issues are also the same as free to play versus subscription-based games.
WoW wasn’t designed to be free to play, but it could changed so that it was.
What folks like you don’t get is that I do agree with your sentiments, WoW has made enough money over it’s lifetime that it could run for twenty years without ever charging another dime.
But that’s not what Blizzard is going to do.
Big surprise: Investors always want more money.
The gaming industry is steeped in greed. WoW is no different. That’s why mounts in Retail are as much as a small indy-game. Did you not notice that?
They would look at Classic by itself like a nice warm apple pie and would be ready to carve it up to sell at nickle-and-dime prices.
You’ve yet to disprove the observations, and have simply gone to attacking me. Yet, I’ve been right about where they are going, and what they are thinking.
So, go on, be mad at me because I’m cynical enough to tell you what you should already know.
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I stand by that statement and does not conflict with what I have always been saying. You supported the decline. You I resent/despise/hate. Modern players in general? No. The ones who prefer what WoW became and will happily act like a tsunami on the classic servers at release are ones I despise.
And no, this has nothing to do with private servers and I am not at all surprised you are resorting to that silliness. I want to fund it specifically with a sub for it specifically.
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I didn’t support the decline, but because I disagreed with you, you claim that I did.
You can be bitter and resentful and hateful, you can even direct every single piece of that anger at me. But that doesn’t change that you are bitter and resentful towards a lot of people who don’t actually have anything to do with what you claim.
It’s exactly what you want. You want a private server with Classic-only players. You even talked about a plan where Retail players can play on their own Classic servers, but never between the two shall meet.
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Effectively, you want a playground all to yourself and your supposed “community”. How is that nothing but a private server in all but name?
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