Sharding puts Vanilla gameplay second (anti-sharding anthology)

[Sidearm-exodar (Sidearm)]

People keep thinking sharding is the only tool in the box. It’s specifically targeted at a specific scenario. If that scenario breaks down and breaches the expected limits, they simply apply the same Vanilla tools. Add servers and close random selection to full-servers-to-be, provide transfers from super populated servers, etc.

Would like to see them utilize login queues as a tool too.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Would like to see them utilize login queues as a tool too.

There will be. That’s a given. However, there’s a difference between manageable queues even if its an hour. And ridiculous queues of multiple tens of thousands of people. Their goal is a smooth launch, which means not making tourists wait too long.

[Cauchy-bloodhoof]

Streamers say they won’t play Classic if it has sharding? This makes me want sharding!

For some reason people with a camera and an opinion who think they’re a be-all end-all authority WoW are being treated as such. Not having them on the server I play on seems like a win to me!

Calm down folks.

[Nechross-eonar-37277 (Nechross)]

Sharding puts Vanilla gameplay second (anti-sharding anthology)

That statement makes no sense. If what you said was true then the playerbase would not have grown. But your prior statement was based on the hypothetical that many/most players will leave shortly after launch. That might happen. Ion thinks it will, and that’s why the’re considering sharding. I’m simply saying let’s imagine that that doesn’t happen. That (God Forbid) the population actually grows after launch. What then? I laid this out in another thread. I see three options. Open up new serve…

This is a great point and deserves to be thoughtfully considered.

Blizzard’s whole premise of using sharding in Vanilla - which Blizzard literally admits is bad for Classic…

we understand completely, that sharding is antithetical to a cohesive Classic community
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/asvwjq/transcript_ion_hazzikostas_on_sharding_blizzcon/

…is based upon a guesstimated percentage of people quitting Classic.

What if this assumption is wrong and servers STAY full - and zones REMAIN packed and overloaded into Westfall, into cities, into STV, etc?

Population may STLL need to be distributed with sharding to avoid causing anyone any further inconvenience in zones after launch.

Sharding was never in Vanilla. Sharding is anti-thetical to commnity - the foundation of Vanilla gameplay.

Sharding-lovers, simply play BFA and enjoy the all the sharding that you so desperately want.

It seems like retail players would be more content in modern WoW instead of contradicting the community-based gameplay of Vanilla WoW with sharding.

No one will inconvenience anyone in modern WoW, thanks to all of the changes to it, such as sharding. Enjoy sharding in Legion and BFA if you love it so much.

If shariding remains effective for Blizzard’s infrastructure to handle a larger population longer than expected (even after launch), then we’ve forfeited part of the soul of this game for some player convenience - once again - just as was done with every other change after Vanilla.

Vanilla gameplay (which was all about community) must be FIRST.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

What if they are wrong and servers STAY full - and zones REMAIN packed and overloaded into Westfall, into cities, into STV, etc?

People keep thinking sharding is the only tool in the box. It’s specifically targeted at a specific scenario. If that scenario breaks down and breaches the expected limits, they simply apply the same Vanilla tools. Add servers and close random selection to full-servers-to-be, provide transfers from super populated servers, etc.

They said they’d add servers if the population got large. And they said they’re looking at transfers.

Would like to see them utilize login queues as a tool too.

There will be. That’s a given. However, there’s a difference between manageable queues even if its an hour. And ridiculous queues of multiple tens of thousands of people. Their goal is a smooth launch, which means not making tourists wait too long.

I swear this is just a bad merry-go-round.

[Sidearm-exodar (Sidearm)]

I swear this is just a bad merry-go-round.

Not surprising. You keep making exact statements about what will be done at launch despite not being a Blizzard poster, then seem surprised when people wait for information from Blizzard before deciding.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

surprised when people wait for information from Blizzard before deciding.

No, I’m surprised when people ask the same questions as were answered above knowing Blizzard isn’t going to post anything in the thread.

[Sidearm-exodar (Sidearm)]

But the questions have not been answered.

And Blizzard does occasionally post in threads like this.

[Fesz-cenarius]

surprised when people wait for information from Blizzard before deciding.

No, I’m surprised when people ask the same questions as were answered above knowing Blizzard isn’t going to post anything in the thread.

Why would they not post clearly defined, definitive, hard and fast limits for sharding, even if they do so in a new thread created by them?

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Why would they not post clearly defined, definitive, hard and fast limits for sharding, even if they do so in a new thread created by them?

Perhaps because they’re still investigating it, or perhaps it’ll be released as part of an entire launch post including the release date.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Would that “entire launch post including the release date” not be a new thread created by them?

So, I will ask again.

Why would they not post clearly defined, definitive, hard and fast limits for sharding, even if they do so in a new thread created by them?

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

It would…

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Why would they not post clearly defined, definitive, hard and fast limits for sharding, even if they do so in a new thread created by them?

Perhaps because they’re still investigating it, or perhaps it’ll be released as part of an entire launch post including the release date.

Um…again…

If they don’t know for sure all the details like release date, its not going to be posted yet.

[Kiyrin-ravenholdt (Kiyrin)]

Why would they not post clearly defined, definitive, hard and fast limits for sharding, even if they do so in a new thread created by them?

Because if they do that, and then the situation changes or there are unforeseen circumstances that cause Blizzard to reassess, people like you will whine and moan that Blizzard didn’t keep their “promise”.

Or if you don’t like the answer in the first place, you’ll just whine and moan more.

There is zero upside for Blizzard in posting anything definitive.

[Fateweaver-misha (Fateweaver)]

There is zero upside for Blizzard in posting anything definitive.

Yet, they’ve done it several times already.

[Shimy-khadgar]

Blizzard is C-SPAN

that’s what I learned by reading this thread

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

Really, sharding-lovers, is it that impossible to simply play BFA and enjoy the sharding that you so desperately want so badly?

BFA doesn’t have the Vanilla world that we miss. You point is a non-starter. Please try again.

Sharding the launch period will not kill community, as chat isn’t affected by sharding, and groups can still be formed.

The private server launch garbage is not something Blizzard should be attempting to replicate. Private server MUH FRESSSSHHHHH people really need to get over that.

[Sidearm-exodar (Sidearm)]

If they don’t know for sure all the details like release date, its not going to be posted yet.

If the details of sharding are still being worked out, then all the more reason to keep discussing. Blizzard does read the forums.

[Rubmyhorns-bleeding-hollow]

If I’m running into sharding a month later in higher level zones, I’ll help you fashion some pitchforks and torches.

i thought this was warcraft not minecraft

Also I’m in.

[Nechross-eonar-37277 (Nechross)]

Sharding puts Vanilla gameplay second (anti-sharding anthology)

Not surprising. You keep making exact statements about what will be done at launch despite not being a Blizzard poster, then seem surprised when people wait for information from Blizzard before deciding.

…And countering arguments on this forum against sharding with how “elitist” somoene is and throwing around scary caravan-like numbers of “10,000” players overwhelming the starting areas and not being able to login for “days”.

All I am asking for is to play Vanilla WoW again - just like it was - when the game was about meeting new friends and having fun being in a small, hometwown realm again. I can’t play Vanilla WoW when people are divided into hundreds of shards in the open world - that was never part of Vanilla WoW gameplay.

We petitioned Blizzard for legacy servers for years. Now, I just want to play the “authentic Vanilla experience” Blizzard has thankfully promised - that’s all.

I just want my old game back as it was.