Sharding kills community and server identity

[Ristra-suramar (Ristra)]

Instead of questioning me about the sharding design. Why not go ahead and read the quote from the Dev.

We understand, and I understand completely, that sharding is antithetical to a cohesive Classic community.

We are competing over limited resources. When Lord Kazzak is up, and guilds are racing to defeat him, there needs to be only one Lord Kazzak. You’re trying to get, you know, if you’re trying to lock down the thorium vein spawn in limited sections of the world, you should be competing over limited resources.

Now, compound that with the limited scope of sharding. The zones we are talking about have a minor roll in “resources”.

The sky is not falling.

But you said sharding doesn’t generate extra resources…

Maybe in your head…

I specifically refrained from stating what IS and only referenced what was said. You are so dead set on making a mountain out of a molehill that you read it to fit your needs.

[Starbûck-caelestrasz (Starbûck)]

does it have it’s own map?

[Yurreal-arthas]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the major concern here is ‘if they do sharding once, what’s to stop them from going full on cross realm?’ And I get that. But as was pointed out to another post of mine, there’s literally nothing to stop them from deciding no sharding at launch, and then reversing that decision entirely come AQ.

Can someone make a list of our options and specify how each of those kills a server? I keep seeing a lot of how this one way kills it more than another

[Ànguss-moon-guard (Ànguss)]

It’s like the “Luke I am your father” quote that everyone thinks they know.

Yeah… its really “Luke, I am your mother.”

[Ristra-suramar (Ristra)]

does it have it’s own map?

Nope, it’s a section of a map

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

But you don’t understand

ThE rP sErVeRs aNd ThE CrZ tHeMs LiEd AbOuT

Perception of a lie does not make a lie. Just like people love to claim Blizzard said the lost the vanilla code. Was never said.

Well, they DID lose it. But they found it again!

[Ristra-suramar (Ristra)]

That’s not what they said but it could easily be interpreted as that

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

That’s not what they said but it could easily be interpreted as that

Never said they did say that, I’m just saying it turned out the players who created the Wall of No were technically right. lol

[Enhancelord-korgath]

Never said they did say that, I’m just saying it turned out the players who created the Wall of No were technically right. lol

I mean, they weren’t technically right seeing as how they have the code.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

Never said they did say that, I’m just saying it turned out the players who created the Wall of No were technically right. lol

I mean, they weren’t technically right seeing as how they have the code.

But they did lose it… down a stack of backups that they almost never perused.

[Enhancelord-korgath]

But they did lose it… down a stack of backups that they almost never perused.

But the wall of no always said “They don’t have it, it’s gone forever”. Obviously they have it, so they aren’t technically right. That’s all.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

But they did lose it… down a stack of backups that they almost never perused.

But the wall of no always said “They don’t have it, it’s gone forever”. Obviously they have it, so they aren’t technically right. That’s all.

Okay, fine. I was just trying to have a bit of fun before I head out to work. I’m not actually DEFENDING those guys.

…I wonder when our next Blue update will be…

[Ristra-suramar (Ristra)]

That’s not what they said but it could easily be interpreted as that

Never said they did say that, I’m just saying it turned out the players who created the Wall of No were technically right. lol

Some days I think I should go back and read that Wall of No. Never have. Probably never will. Because, you know, it’s more of a wall of not right now.

I live in the now.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

That’s not what they said but it could easily be interpreted as that

Never said they did say that, I’m just saying it turned out the players who created the Wall of No were technically right. lol

Some days I think I should go back and read that Wall of No. Never have. Probably never will. Because, you know, it’s more of a wall of not right now.

I live in the now.

I try to, but… I tend to overanalyze possible ramifications of actions to the point where literally the only logical conclusion is to do nothing at all.

It’s a bit maddening, really.

[Ristra-suramar (Ristra)]

Yeah, I feel ya. It’s a painful waiting process. (Can’t call it a waiting game because that’s salt in the wound)

[Priapis-proudmoore (Priapis)]

Can someone make a list of our options and specify how each of those kills a server? I keep seeing a lot of how this one way kills it more than another

Well this is not exhaustive but they could either go

1. Don’t shard at the beginning (with limited servers) which causes lots of potential lag, plenty of quest and mob competition in the first few zones, and potential queues to log into the game.
   The net result here would be that people may be pushed away from ever playing the game in the first place and thus resulting in low server populations that make it difficult to even raid.
2. Don’t shard at the beginning (with several servers) which causes some servers to be popular and experience the same issues as 1 but allows other servers to function fine while other servers have low population.
   Ultimately, some servers will balance out after the beginning to a decent population to allow for normal functions, however, other servers may be imbalanced when it comes to pvp or ghost towns when it comes to pve thus necessitating the use of server merges which which force players and guilds to potentially change names (or, if blizz is feeling it, they may even activate CRZ to prevent the need to merge servers but that is less likely).
3. Shard at the beginning (with lots of servers). This faces some of the same issues as 2 but popular servers will have less of the problems that happened in 1.
4. Shard at the beginning with few servers). This has the least potential negatives of the other 3 options with the exception that the vocal minority have stated they will either quit or riot or distrust blizzard.

But you said sharding doesn’t generate extra resources…

From what I’ve experienced with lower level resources, they used to spawn randomly after some amount were collected. This meant that the more people farming resulted in a higher spawn rate of those resources.
Now if you’re talking about the rare stuff, that stuff had a fixed timer that it spawned on and they could make those areas free of sharding or just fix the spawn to be independent of the shard.

[Ogimirak-medivh]

I’d be fine with this under normal circumstances, however I also feel like that allowing it once would leave the genie out of the bottle, so to speak. I’d rather keep that locked up and put away. I have more faith in the classic players to be able to handle the consequences than I do in the consequences of sharding.

This is easy to say, but not so easy to live when you are #1324 in line to login to the server and realize it’s going to take 2+ hours for a chance to play.

I lived through login queues in Vanilla. Everyone hated them.

[Charbs-stormrage (Charbs)]

You can leave it for the the initial 1-5/6 area and for the first week or 2 maybe the entire 1-11 starting zones. But after that, it really has no place and it will affect player capped players.

People duel outside the cities, buff outside the major cities (darkmoon faire), gather for raids (zepplins) and more. These area are technically the starting zones, so if you keep the whole zone sharded, then its affecting more than just the leveling experience.

1-5: only as needed
1-11: first few weeks only

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Can someone make a list of our options and specify how each of those kills a server? I keep seeing a lot of how this one way kills it more than another

Well this is not exhaustive but they could either go

1. Don’t shard at the beginning (with limited servers) which causes lots of potential lag, plenty of quest and mob competition in the first few zones, and potential queues to log into the game.
   The net result here would be that people may be pushed away from ever playing the game in the first place and thus resulting in low server populations that make it difficult to even raid.
2. Don’t shard at the beginning (with several servers) which causes some servers to be popular and experience the same issues as 1 but allows other servers to function fine while other servers have low population.
   Ultimately, some servers will balance out after the beginning to a decent population to allow for normal functions, however, other servers may be imbalanced when it comes to pvp or ghost towns when it comes to pve thus necessitating the use of server merges which which force players and guilds to potentially change names (or, if blizz is feeling it, they may even activate CRZ to prevent the need to merge servers but that is less likely).
3. Shard at the beginning (with lots of servers). This faces some of the same issues as 2 but popular servers will have less of the problems that happened in 1.
4. Shard at the beginning with few servers). This has the least potential negatives of the other 3 options with the exception that the vocal minority have stated they will either quit or riot or distrust blizzard.

But you said sharding doesn’t generate extra resources…

From what I’ve experienced with lower level resources, they used to spawn randomly after some amount were collected. This meant that the more people farming resulted in a higher spawn rate of those resources.
Now if you’re talking about the rare stuff, that stuff had a fixed timer that it spawned on and they could make those areas free of sharding or just fix the spawn to be independent of the shard.

Is gold, cloth and leather not a resource?

Pretty sure sharding increases those.

Furthermore i stand completely against sharding past elwynn and other such zones completely. And I’m not the only one.

[Priapis-proudmoore (Priapis)]

Is gold, cloth and leather not a resource?

Pretty sure sharding increases those.

Are instances an easy way to farm all of those?
I’m pretty sure those are in vanilla and are pretty easy to spam without consequence.