It’s not made up. Shamans were legit tanks in vanilla. If you keep arguing this fact. All that will happen is that you will look like a fool.
ZG gear in there too haha, and he didn’t even create a set that hit the Armor/Health levels of the set you could make right now.
You keep shifting the goal-posts to avoid being called wrong. If a Shaman itemizes for threat, they lose what meager additional Armor/Stamina they had on their gear. Warriors and Druids don’t have this issue nearly as much and once we’re into raids, the Druid at least (I don’t know Warrior gearing super well) can actually maintain Hit cap and Armor cap while stacking Agility/Stamina.
Shaman are Tanks the way a Priest wearing Ironweave (once Phase 5 drops) is a Tank.
They were as legit as Hunter pets and Voidwalkers. Nothing more.
If you aren’t optimising armor? How much extra mitigation is that +10% 5/5 talent granting you?
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I would rather take a real tank. Early on Shaman is fine but later in game it becomes a mess…
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I can link you videos of a DH solo tanking a +10, doesn’t mean it’s viable.
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You mean optimal?
I Agree, Shamans are not “optimal”.
They are however, viable.
OK, well. Have fun tanking as a Shaman at 60 then. I’m sure you’ll get tons of invites and your runs will go super smooth.
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Mate, not even shaman dps is viable at a certain point.
Viability requires being able to get the job done without much fuss when the content is relevant. You linked two videos of a Shaman doing 5mans after Zul’Gurub was released at a minimum, and was wearing gear from said 20man Raid.
LOL
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Since they are optimizing their tank builds predominately with mail, armor is already factored. You would not favor the loss of half the armor for leather gear, unless there was some specific reason to do so. so tanking in leather, with the same stats as mail, makes no sense (out side of special needs cases, like hit).
Since resto grants 3% of hit, shamans need only acquire another 3% from gear sources, to obtain hit capability. Luckly, a BOE Epic Weapon, That grants + 10 skills, solves this problem. So by default, shamans do not need to worry about hit rating where other classes generally do.
This allows them the optimize most of their gear for mitigation.
Warriors in the end win on the armor part in the best-case- gear situation, but probably by about only 8% over the shaman. Where they really shine over shaman is in blocking, and while they shine there, shamans usually are higher in dodge (along side druids).
The issue here however, is that while shamans in a base-gear case situation can be roughly equal to warrior, they do not have the cool downs that they do. This drop hurts their potential to main tank. Had there been gear that gave them better mitigation, this would not be an issue for them.
You are a child, and from this point on will be ignored like one.
This is a video of shaman main tanking ony.
OOF, lost the argument and resorted to name calling and ignore.
You can ignore everyone you disagree with on here, but that won’t make you a tank.
Sorry m8
Hit chance for raids is 9% sweetie.
This makes no sense as to what you were asked, Mail has very little armor compared to Plate or Dire Bear Form, shedding it in any amount is going to dramatically harm your survival when you’re already so low in that category.
That’s… not even close to accurate. Do you even know how much Armor a Warrior can achieve and what the DR formula is?
Not even close. A Paladin in healing plate is sturdier than you.
That’s a video of a shaman tanking Onyxia WITH A SHIELD FROM AQ40
HAHAHA
No, I’m asking how much 5/5 worth of talent points is providing extra mitigation.
You raise another point that shaman dont have necessary cooldowns, I’d argue that it’s worse than that because you need to be dumping mana and globals to build threat while restricting yourself from using any other tools of the shaman kit that give them value.
I did a dungeon if a shaman tank for RFC and BFD… went perfect…
In fact, it went better than the warrior tanks I had.
Here’s a Rogue tanking Ony. Guess Rogues are tanks now too guys.
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I would never invite a paladin when there are other players online.