Then it wasn’t the Shaman Tanking that made the run smooth
Well he was the one marking the proper targets, and holding agro on them, and people did their jobs.
Isn’t that the point of a dungeon? Or do you just assume all dungeons are AoE fiestas with mobs running rampant and people just do their best to kill the mobs before the mobs kill them because of a bad tank?
Like I said, if people acquiesced to going slower by single target nuking mobs, and actually focused on whomever he marked, then the DPS made the run smooth by humoring the Shaman.
If you’re AoEing and the mobs are running rampant, you have a bad Tank. If you can’t AoE down packs without losing aggro, you’re a bad Tank.
They don’t do badly in 5 mans. And make ok off tanks. I wish they had actually done a bit more with shaman for tanking ability imo. They dropped a ball on a unique build.
Mmm, I’m starting to see where this mindset comes from.
It’s that “GoGoGo” mentality people brought over from Retail.
Personally, I don’t really care if an alliance, whose never going to see a shaman tank in Classic WoW anyways, believes me.
A google search could rapidly bring you to several online sources that explain how shaman tanking works, and that it is indeed viable for non-raid content.
No, just being more efficient with our time. If you’re a bad Tank you’ll want to do things one at a time, yell at DPS for daring to even look at your mob until you have X number of Sunders up, etc. Group and AoE was a thing in Vanilla, I just didn’t always have Warlocks and Mages on hand like I do now.
Yet here you are…
I’m well aware that Caper’s horrendous “guide” shows up quickly on Google searches, as well as videos of Shamans “tanking” in 5mans while using late-game raid equipment to do so. You’re not really helping your point showing off how you can survive Onyxia while wearing the AQ40 shield, backed by a raid full of DPS and Healers equivalently geared.
/giggle
Tank I had wasn’t in raid gear.
But you’re just being a brick wall at this point. You don’t care to even entertain the idea, and are just arguing to argue.
Just another “GoGoGo” type from retail.
Sure honey. It is those filthy RETAILERS that are to blame…
Pats head
Seems to be so, but hey, you enjoy classic the way you want to, and when you run out of stuff to do, enjoy that alt.
I was toying with the idea for my shaman. According to what I’ve read they are viable, if you carry ridiculous amounts of surplus gear to switch into for different boss fights and use awkward clunky tactics. But theorycrafters tend to be a black hole of fun where fun goes to die terribly. The get their info from running simulations and not actually trying different things. You know, learning to play the game by playing the game.
Eh, the guy I ran with in scholomance was in blues. He did a pretty good job.
I’m sorry your math teacher hurt you, but simulations only work if they’re accurate portrayals of the game itself, which takes hours of testing in game to confirm/deny mechanics working as we predict.
I will happily theorycraft a “Tank” Shaman, as I’ve already made a BiS list by phase for a Smite Priest and I could use the interesting diversion. But like any competent modeler, I’m going to ensure I can compare the Shaman to Druids, Paladins, and Warriors in an apples-to-apples manner, which is what matters.
Possible, yes.
Super slow, tons of crowd control and focus fire required and much downtime for mana. While warriors and bears will be doing large aoe pulls and dps will be allowed to aoe with minimal to no crowd control needed.
Then there is also the problem that if the shaman does lose threat, he has no way to regain it.
Why do people keep talking to Fasciae?
They are 100% pure meta slave with zero innovation or intelligence allowed. There’s no value in this discussion.
It’s not particularly slow, there’s not that much downtime for mana, and if a max rank earth shock doesn’t regain threat than a taunt wouldn’t have kept it for more than the few seconds of lock anyway.
I invite you to try it yourself sometime.
Sure it is. You have to spend mana (inefficiently) to hold threat. That means you have to stop and drink. A warrior and bear never have to stop and drink unless the healer is low on mana.
Healers are far more mana efficient than you are spamming damage skills and they can drink through the beginning of every pull. Ideally you never wait on them for mana. tank spec war and bear will take significantly less damage than a shaman as well, resulting in less healing needed to begin with.
Then there is the issue that shaman cant hold aoe threat, so your dps cant aoe. If nothing else, comparing the speed of a clear single target damage vs aoe damage…its very slow.
Taunt places you on top of the highest threat instantly, earth shock is a catch-up and surpass mechanic. One is vastly superior to the other.
Mostly, because I didn’t know that.
But It became blatantly apparent through our conversation.
Its more like of emergency tank … But while leveling up i am sure if you focus on tanking and keeping up the aggro you could manage 5 man dungeon 1-60 .
They definitely are not raid tanks. But for a 5 man dungeon? totally doable.
Compelling. What exactly is “innovative” about slapping on a shield and taking excessive damage as a Shaman? Tanking isn’t exactly some glamorous enterprise, it can actually be quite boring and tedious, and worst of all the success/failure rate involved is primarily statistics driven, not skill expression.
Just because you’re acting unique and special doesn’t mean your actions are useful or desirable.
You can’t maintain AoE threat so you restrict your DPS to single-target, that’s slow.
Any such downtime is downtime Druids and Warriors don’t have. Paladins sure, but they lack the rest of the Shaman deficiencies. And this doesn’t include places like Scholomance where mana burn/drain are regular skills.
You don’t understand how Taunts and the Threat Table work do you?
The only time I saw shamans successfully tank raids was during WoTLK in Nax- And that was in resilience gear