I mean, it can work to a certain extent. Set realistic goals, I can offtank in MC just fine but without a flask I’m not tanking bosses most of the time. And the gear to support my approach to tanking as a shaman is going to be sparse after MC is outdated so I doubt I’ll be doing it in BWL. Still, if your guildies are cool with it, go for it. Give it a shot.
Awesome, thanks for the video!
I had to skip around some because you look to be the back-up of the back-up for select sections, but noticed you spike pretty quickly on Sulfuron. Hard to see what it was that landed all at once because of the speed. You also went OOM hella fast on Lucifron’s add. Do you guys log your raids?
One of our mages does. And yeah, damage is spikey. Offtanking is just something I do when I feel like it or the raid leader asks. Technically I’m allowed to take a crack at tanking bosses (Magmadar, Golemagg, Ony, etc) but only if I flask for it.
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That makes sense, the Stamina on Mail gear can be precious little outside of pieces like the Helm of Narv, and you just don’t get any other form of Stamina boost. I’ll see if I can find the log to see what was going on exactly.
EDIT: He must log it under his own name only, your guild doesn’t have any clears listed for the last two months which I’m sure is incorrect.
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Next time he’s on I’ll ask him about it and try to get you a link.
I found it! I looked up your name directly and found the raid.
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mbDvMjVkQf9Px26p#fight=48&type=damage-taken&source=116&target=244
Looks like you just got every DoT imaginable while getting melee’d on top of it. Nice parses by the way when you go all out on DPS.
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Thanks 
I’ll probably be uploading vids of our MC and Ony runs going forward. Especially if I get to do some boss tanking. Right now I’m running into threat issues and I may have to swap to a better 1h weapon that doesn’t have agility on it, give up some of my avoidance.
Yeah if Rockbiter isn’t enough, since it is just a flat addition of threat to any attack, your options are speedier (like a dagger or Eskander’s Paw), harder hitting, or both.
I’ll look later to see what kind of breakdown of damage you’re dealing to account for Flurry and other stuff. Raw SP would be nice for Earthshock, but it only scales at 38.6% of your SP baseline and doesn’t really impact your other skills as much.
I have meat to work with now to build a more suitable spreadsheet. Thanks!
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Rockbiter is threat per second, I believe, so a faster weapon is better for reliability but not for an actual TPS increase.
Also, earth shock’s coefficient is 43% (1.5/3.5, 42.86 technically), not sure where you’re getting 38.6% from.
When i watch your video and look at your targets-target … its almost never you.
How do you consider that tanking?
https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/threat-overview-classic-wow#threat-modifier-abilities-and-values-shaman
Rank 7 adds 72 threat. Since it is a weapon imbue, my baseline assumption would be that any “melee attack” with the imbued weapon would get the +72 added, making speed probably the best source of TPS increase insomuch as Rockbiter is concerned.
https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=10414/earth-shock
Although this contradicts this older list:
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/95abc8/list_of_spellcoefficients_1121/
So I’d need someone to test it. Earthshock definitely would not get the full value of 1.5/3.5 because of its additional properties, but the old list treats that as a 95% modifier, whereas WoWHead’s value is using a 90% modifier.
Regardless, outside of Lightning Shield and pulling with Lightning Bolt/Chain Lightning, SP just isn’t going to factor very heavily in such a build. The threat mod on Earth Shock is just 200%, so while it is a nice hunk, it still pales in comparison to Maul, while being on a CD.
He Tanks things in the raid, but he is also a backup. Go to Luci or Sulfuron and you’ll see him Tank the first add to die.
I’ve never seen someone who claims Pserver data can be thrown out the window by thinking Classic as an entirely different game and Pservers can’t be used as a relatively safe comparison of what to expect. But the FUNNY part is that CLASSIC is much easier, so pservers are the hardcore version.
Everything in Classic is miles ahead more approachable than ever.
In regards to your calculation comment, what do i do? post a graph? I usually have to deal with people who complain Shamans can’t tank the moment a raid is released and that’s their problem with Shamans but at least they’re knowledgeable enough to know it’s doable. With you, I have to go back a lot as if you haven’t played in a decade or refuse to do the research. You clearly haven’t read up on shaman tanking or hell even paladin tanking enough because you’re bringing up typical 2004 Vanilla talking points of ignorance.
P.S. Never said im trying to replace the current meta of tanks or shaman tanking is better.
Then you don’t actually read very often or get out from your p-server circles.
This is entirely irrelevant to the SPECIFIC statistics and performance possibilities of any singular class/spec compared to another. The net sum of issues, tweaks, glitches, and otherwise poor emulation of a genuine server being harder doesn’t mean all aspects of the game are harder. You’re smarter than that.
Model what you want to analyze, model what you want to compare it to, then do so.
In your case you would need to model a Shaman Tank completely and determine a shared statistical variable for the Shaman Tank that could also be determined for a Druid Tank or a Warrior Tank, etc. That way you understand both classes (or more for multiple comparisons) and can actually determine strengths and weaknesses in an apples-to-apples manner.
Anything else is just… guesswork at best.
You don’t even understand how to perform a Tank vs Tank comparison calculation, but you’re going to accuse me of making errors in comparison? You are woefully out of your element.
Hey Cap, I think you hit me up on Reddit. If you’d like to sit down and talk after the holidays, I’d be down. Just get in touch with me in game and we can go from there, or whatever works for you. Cheers man.
Sure, I will let you know
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Are you actually saying Classic is harder or remotely the same as pservers? Have you played on a pserver at 60 at all? There’s dozens of threads of people complaining about Blizz taking their sweet time fixing game breaking stuff. And I haven’t even approach things like: layering, earlier gearing, world buffs, etc… Not only has my threat/dps improved greatly in Classic but also I can do stuff sooner and faster. There’s also more people willing to test stuff/crunch the numbers out since they know servers won’t disappear all of a sudden.
I’m very simply and accurately stating that even if massive portions of the rest of the game were harder/easier, you need to point out SPECIFICALLY how Tanking changed between hack servers and Classic.
This isn’t difficult.
I’m not going through the massive list of things Blizz has done that makes this the easiest version of WoW.
I feel like you’ve only talked to me about this, please chat with anyone else and ask them if ClassicWoW is the easiest iteration of original WoW.
I don’t need the entire list, only the things pertinent to Tanking. This is why I can’t take you seriously, you keep deflecting.
The game isn’t actually easier, mechanically or stat-wise, the playerbase just doesn’t view single-mechanic boss fights are compelling or difficult, on top of theorycrafting solidifying BiS, rotations, and output thresholds.
The exact same thing will happen with TBC Classic, and WotLK Classic, and so forth.
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layering (a huge one), debuff slot, lower armor value, massively bugged specs (reck dps pve was a thing among others), bugged spells leading to some crazy stuff, earlier gear phasing, extra attack storage, etc…
I’m now being told you can increase the proc chance of stuff with an macro… Even if you fixed everything now, it wouldn’t do much since it put so many players at an advantage.
What are we discussing then? this is exactly what I am talking about. When I said the easiest version of WoW it includes: safe theorycrafting, larger pop, etc…