Don’t need to; you opened your own mouth and removed all doubt. 
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They can get carried and pretend to tank. BUt hey, by all means run double shaman tank in SSC and Tk and get back to us with the results of that “tanking” lol
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I’m not certain. Water Shield and Shamanistic Rage are usually sufficient enough to keep one’s mana reserves plenty. I suspect a Prot Paladin would run dry faster than an Enh Shaman would.
They dont tank, they get carried.
So people are not mad at the shaman tank, they are tired of morons saying stupid things.
Check out the many Nightbane attempts and kill, my boy was booooone dry. In one hilarious attempt, he was so OOM by the final landing (sub 25%) that he couldn’t even hold off PALADIN healing threat.
Nope. Again. Putting words into other peoples posts.
Yea, we know you only care about your opinion. That’s why I said agree to disagree.
Nothing either of us say will change the others mind.
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This makes it real hard to take you seriously when I quote you.
Yeah, I respect Largid for doing this. At the same time, I wonder at whether or not his current processes could be improved. Like, I had a conversation with him about why he specs into Improved Ghost Wolf.
I was like, “You can’t even use Ghost Wolf in dungeons…”
He mentions OHB and BM and “kiting” mobs with Earthbind. 
There’s other stuff, too. Like how many points to put into Reverberation, adding gear with Shield Block Rating and Value over Dodge. Parry is also something you gotta figure out if you want to add to your build. Shamans can add Parry, but they sacrifice 30% of their melee threat for Spirit Weapons.
Gets complicated. But I think that’s part of the fun of it. Getting it to work is game in and of itself. Part of the reward in seeing it pay off is that you actually got something otherwise unconventional to work despite what naysayers told you was or wasn’t possible.
Yeah he’s not the brightest… and his gear could use even more upgrades but I suspect in the TBCC world we have, getting a full set of Arena gear is less than easy if you’re not on top of your game.
I agree there are some fun give-and-take with the build, and I’d honestly rather a Ele-oriented build instead, but in the end the EH (or lack thereof) is so bad for Shaman.
Example… Never once did I say this…
Makes it hard to take you seriously.
This is the logical meaning of “you’re a tank if you hold aggro most of the time and don’t die”
You made zero stipulations that further narrowed it. If you communicated badly and meant that things like Kiting don’t count, you need to say so.
I’m sure you will anyway since you can’t live without the attention, that’s how trolling works.
Ele-oriented or even adding spell-related gear to your itemization, much like how Paladins are using one-handed weapons that increase Spell Damage and whatnot. Gavel of Unearthed Secrets is a weapon viable for Warden Builds simply because Frost Shock benefits from it. Since Frost Shock is your go-to threat generator, you’re going to want to make it far more potent.
Little things Blizzard could do to make Shaman tanking a bit more viable would be to make Parry a standard Passive rather than tie it to Spirit Weapons.
Rockbiter is never used nowadays because all it gives is a flat dps increase. Giving it back its threat generation attribute from Classic WoW might make it the go-to rather than relying on Windfury all the time. It might also incentivize the use of faster one-handed weapons for Shamans to use like daggers.
I’m not an expert, so I’ll have to defer to you on that.
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With Ele-themed PvP gear, you can get a significant boost in your SP, stay uncrittable, and collect up more of the passives without having to worry about stuff you don’t use like Chain Lightning/Lightning Bolt modifiers.
It isn’t like Rockbiter has the bonus threat anymore, so the trade off is literally the raw weapon DPS (which caster weapons are weaker), the Rockbiter to Flametongue swap (which I don’t know the breakpoint, but I have a feeling FTW can beat RBW), and now heftier shocks and Lightning Shield, with more baseline Mana.
Ehhh Avoidance just doesn’t budge the needle much. It helps sometimes, but really you’re just worrying about Healer longevity, which isn’t a concern in TBCC. Shaman are in dire need of hefty EH modifiers.
In another world, I’d propose adding a “Redoubt” ability to Shaman shield blocking. Unlike Paladins, however, the shield block modifier would be tied to Stormstrike. Your chance to block would increase for a short duration on the condition you that use Stormstrike while holding a shield in your OH.
That in addition to adding a % increase to your overall stamina with the Toughness talent.
Other ideas would be talents that increasing the Shaman’s armor value, but only the value given by a shield. This would mean your dps drops significantly without an OH weapon, but your defense increases just as significantly in exchange.
If a Shaman tank wanted to switch to Enh DPS for whatever reason, he could just switch out his shield for an OH weapon and use Stormstrike as per normal. Much like a Bear to Cat transition or a Prot Warrior changing stances.
I actually went into BGs wearing nothing but the Tuxedo attire and a pair of matching leather boots (since there wasn’t any footwear for the tux at the time).
ngl, it was hilarious watching Horde run from a well-dressed man. xD
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Your actions betray your words.
With that. You’re free to keep arguing about tanks not being tanks because you think so.
Shamans can tank well enough already.
There’s tank the class/specialization and tank the role in group content.