ā¦your point? You donāt need a dedicated Tank spec for the adds, they donāt hit hard. Blindeye melees me in Bear Form for like 500 damageā¦
EDIT: To be clear, if a Shaman picked up Blindeye the Seer, he could absolutely Tank him. Heās a joke of a mob.
EDIT 2: However, a Shaman trying to pick up Maulgar would end very very badly.
Never said that soā¦
Your definition of Tank includes anyone currently holding aggro and not dying, regardless of how or why, so long as the mob dies.
That means anyone, at any point in time, is a Tank the moment they get aggro, even if they die eventually, provided the mob goes down.
If you donāt like your rules being treated seriously, make better rules.
I never once said thatā¦ Notice how you didnāt quote meā¦ Cause I never said thatā¦
Try harder.
I see youāre adding new adjectives to words now. To be fair, shifting from Bear to Cat doesnāt necessarily take you away from your ātank specā.
Just consider Enhance is a tank spec. But maybe not a "dedicatedā Tank spec. Same how the Warlock tanking Illidan isnāt using a ādedicatedā Tank spec.
Hey, thatās kinda offensive to blind people.
More testing is requiredā¦
This is what I said. Quit trying to obscure my words.
I donāt think heās obscuring your words. That being said, just stand by your words because I think youāre technically correct. And you donāt need to be insulting just because you disagree with him.
Tanking, in my estimation, is always a roll. Itās not a spec or a class. Thatās how Vanilla WoW and TBC worked. Some classes and specs just function better than others. We didnāt start getting pigeon-holed into specific classes or specs until Cataclysm, if I recall. Kinda made me upset because I enjoyed tanking as Frost with my DKā¦
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I donāt think anything I said was an insult.
I am and will continue to do so.
This is very dismissive. Itās clearly meant to agitate. Thatās what Iām talking about.
Fasc is particularly smart and heās an excellent tank. I disagree with him in this particular instance and Iām not at all clear on why he so stringently holds to his particular ideals concerning Shaman tanking. But I being outright dismissive isnāt an appropriate response.
Iām not.
If the mob is aggroād onto someone for >50% of the fight, thatās a majority.
If the person who had aggro for >50% lives, they survive.
That means the following situations are Tanking, according to you:
- A Hunter Kites a mob for most of the mobs health, never taking a hit, and the mob never actually manages to even swing at anyone.
- A Priest holds healing aggro and keeps stepping on and off of a ledge, causing a mob to path endlessly but never reach the Healer.
- A Warrior stands firmly and eats damage until the boss dies, never dying himself.
This also means the following are not examples of Tanking, according to you:
- A tauntable boss kills a Druid, and the Druid uses the Soulstone he had to pop right back up, Growl, and continue holding the boss until the boss dies.
- A boss is bounced between three individuals, with no one ever achieving >50% aggro for the fight, such as Broodlord Lashlayer or Voidreaver.
- A Paladin holds Prince until the P2 transition, but the raid doesnāt note the Enfeeble timer, and the Paladin gets Enfeebled, dies, and the raid wipes.
Based upon your criteria, the Shaman in the video was simultaneously a Tank and not-a-Tank throughout the raid. He often died and he often lost or swapped aggro.
You also made this statement:
In response to this:
Keyword here is āhopeā which you glossed over, because to you it doesnāt matter if you Dodge, it only matters that you survive and hold threat until the mob dies.
Logically, that means every class, of every spec, is a Tank should the mob die and they meet the criteria you set forth.
Logically, it also means that many situations have no Tank at all. Perhaps you want that, but given your presence here I assume you believe the Shaman ātankedā everything in that Karazhan despite your own criteria not being met.
Youāre free to amend your criteria if you wish, but right now Tanking = Kiting, and even a mob taking several swings at people, even the same person for a long time, can result in no Tanking at all.
Cool, but why is he spamming his character screen over and over and over again?
Agree to disagree.
Like I said almost all of the responses agree/accept or give props to him tanking it.
Enjoy being the small % that take issues with that.
He tanked it man. Process it and cope.
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If he didnāt tank it, then basically they somehow did 11/11 Karazhan without a tank. Which is also impressive!
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I meanā¦ you made the criteria and now youāre just bowing out?
I donāt really care about consensus, I care about clarity. If someone posted a 11/11 Holy Priest DPS video and they actually did sub 200 DPS the entire timeā¦ Iād call that ānot a DPSā pretty trivially. You canāt clear Kara with a bunch of 200 DPS folks, youāll run OOM before the boss runs out of Health in most cases.
The most common response would be ālol carriedā or some similar variation, but this is no different than the ānot a DPSā comment. If youāre having to be carried, you arenāt performing your role, which makes you not that role.
He Tanked a lot of it, but he also didnāt Tank a lot of it.
They had a Protection Paladin tooā¦ 
True. They should have brought a Druid instead.
The comparison wasnāt made to Sharia law, the example was demonstrating how the person being spoken to was being ignorant of correlative consequences. The point that was being made actually had nothing to do with actual sharia law.
Like I said, you can replace it with whatever cheaper analogy youād like:
A. Iām a butcher, and youāre a cow, how does what I want affect you?
B. Iām your teacher and youāre a student, how does what I want affect you?
C. Youāre a forest animal and Iām contracted to clear out your home for a cool city, how does what I want affect you?
The sharia law comparison was overt, but youāre putting way too much stock in it as an āinā to paint me as unreasonable or illogical, and plainly, itās laughable.
Keep on goinā though. Itās funny.
The classic community lol
I honestly think he was HIGHLY dependent on having Wisdom/Light on the boss at all times, along with bringing a Shadow Priest for the caster crew.
I like how Zipzo is trying to show how Godwinās Law isnāt a problem.
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