5/10… Do you actually want to clear the raids or are you doing meme comps?
I’ve been reading this thread for a while now and all i see are people saying…
“Let people play what they want to play.”
“It isn’t a viable option to have a Shaman tank.”
“Even I can tank that if i have a pocket healer.”
Now, this is my opinion so I’m sure that there’s someone who’s going to have an issue with this but Shamans are not tanks. They lack the skill set to be considered a tank, sure they share a talent with Druids where the armour value of their items is increased by 10% but they lack a key thing that EVERY tank needs, a taunt.
Shamans can’t taunt so either someone is 100% going to pull threat or all of your raids DPS is going to have to slow down because they’re now threat capped which might be why some of your fights are longer than they should be, like your Leo is nearly 3x as long as my guilds average kill times. Anyway you one shot Leo for your last raid GJ on that.
If the raid is being hurt because the tank is threat capping the DPS then you’re never going to clear all of the raid content. I’m not trying to be mean so if you think that I’m doing this to be mean then I need to tell you that I’m simply trying to help you. If your raid doesn’t change and DPS remains to be this low whether that’s from being threat capped or just their gear then there is 0% chance of you clearing Vashj. (If it’s the latter then it’s only a matter of time)
Vashj is by far the hardest fight out of the two raids and i hear that even BT and Hyjal fights are easier. If true then the only fights that are harder would be in Sunwell.
Maybe your intention isn’t to clear all of the raid content and that’s fine, each to their own and I don’t have an issue with you tanking as a Shaman, I just think it’s dumb and I’d never want a tank that doesn’t even have a taunt. Good thing it doesn’t matter what I think, you’re still going to be trying to tank raid content as a Shaman and I’ll still say that Shamans aren’t tanks. I think this puts it nicely…
“Just because it can be done, doesn’t mean it should be done.”
Hi Heydownthere! thanks so much for the detailed reply! In my guild I’m not the MT (he’s a warrior), I’m one of the off-tanks. So in a fight like Leo, for instance, I’m hardly tanking, also because we do Misdirect to our MT (Although I have been able to grab span threat then a msdirect is not available).
I would actually say that the lack of a taunt is the least of a shaman tank’s problems. A lot of bosses are untauntable, and all other tank classes have to do the same, generate enough threat to stay ahead of the dps. Taunt usage should just be an emergency, and if your dps is constantly generating more threat than the tank something is wrong.
In any case, my raid is not accommodating me, they are fine to do all the dps they want , especially since I’m usually not the one main tanking
Ah right I’m sure you’ve mentioned that you’re just the OT before it was late for me when i typed that (5am here in Austraila). Feel free to ignore what I said about threat capping then.
You’re right a taunt is used for emergencies and so long as you’re ahead on threat and you can actually take the hits then there’s no real issue if you can OT or not.
With decent healers, rngesus to not get crit or crushed, and amazing dps to secure a fast kill Im sure a clothie could tank raid/dungeon bosses.
I dont understand when people make posts like this. Just because something works, doesnt mean it should be done and considered viable.
The only time something like this should even be a little impressive is if it happens on the last 10-20% on progression and all the “real” tanks have died.
Um… shams are not tanks and were not designed to be. They have 3 other roles they are above average at and bring buffs to the raid everyone wants. I don’t know why you would forego that.
If it can be done, it’s viable. And that’s fine. Your only argument is that it’s not a meta strat lol. Go resolve whatever inner struggle is causing yu to want to lash out like this. It’s probably self esteem related.
If everyone is viable, there is no point in even using the term, since every effort, every spec, every gear choice, every action, etc is equal. It is all just viable.
A dead Hunter pet is as equally viable a Tank as a melee Priest and a SP Rogue with no talents.
It isn’t useful based on the definition YOU provided.
I don’t get how you’re confused. You presented a definition that had such a low barrier to entry that literally no one can fail to satisfy the definition.
Viable just means capable of successful completion. Definitely not something that applies to anything and everything as you claim. Anyways. As I said earlier. I’m out. Your massive stretch of the definition of viable(an already broad term) is a troll.
To me it seems most people who use the word viable should be using optimal instead. because a lot of these posts get followed up with kill times and what not.
Optimal is a maximal term, so it is going to necessarily exclude all but the fastest, safest, most efficient clear.
Viable clearly needs at least a successful encounter, ie dead boss. However, bosses die with low/no DPS players all the time because encounters just aren’t that tightly tuned. Encounters also get cleared with an excess of Healers, so you can have someone do little, no effective healing and still be successful. Same is true of Tanks.
If we stop the definition of viable here, then dead/no performance at all remains viable.
I’m not sure anyone considers floor-tanking with zero healing and zero DPS and zero threat to be “viable”, and even if they did, it would be a useless term since literally no one would be unviable.
Viability isnt what triggers people IMO. Its the OP making a thread like this is a new age elitist jerk,5head, genius and groundbreaking method of tanking the he just invented.
Shamans have been trying to tank since vanilla. Pulling it off isnt new no matter the content.
Ultimately he can do what he wants, but this thread isnt going to make people start looking for shaman tanks or OTs any time soon.
