Hey, logs are logs, and guilds progress at different speeds. The logs dont lie.
Well, no one said they are the best choice. Actually, I canāt think of a scenario where shaman tanks would be optimal. But can they do the job for certain situations (dungeons/heroics) and fights? yes. I mean there is clear evidence of that.
For many reasons actually. We had too many tanks in our guild, so it made sense for me to step down from that role. Like I said above shaman tanks are not competitive compared to the tank classes. Also, in P3-P4 plate saw a huge stam+armor increase something that mail items did not, so itās been different/more challenging phase. Still interesting to see what can be done.
Interestingly enough, I am not a tank right now. My feral druid is pure kitty dps 
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And thats fine dude.
I could tank 5 manās full DPS enhance in my leather. Iām sure of it.
Would the rest of the players in the group want that? Press X to Doubt.
You are doing things that the game design does not intend. 100% fine, but the class, the gear, the talents, are not set up with the intent that Shaman are actual tanks.
Warrior.
Paladin.
Druid.
Thatās it.
Well you mightā¦ but your healers will hate you 
Especially if you are not uncrit.
In contrast a shaman tank that is properly geared and knows what to do, would not over exert healers (specially not on things like 5 mans). Now raids, and certain heroics might be more challenging for sure. Iāve consistently gotten that feedback from healers. It was fine healing me, perhaps a bit more challenging but not by much. On normal 5-mans virtually no difference.
Well kind of, and kind of not, in TBC Blizz still kept remnants of tanking in the shaman talent trees and skills. Such as a high threat spell, shield specialization, armor talent, a defensive cooldown, etc.
Everyone usually accepts that shamans can tank perfectly for dungeons up until lvl 40-ish. Weāre basically just taking that and applying it to end-game scenarios to see what can be achieved.
Also, thereās this misconception that weāre (meaning shaman tanks) advocating for others to abandon their tank classes in favor of shamans which is not true at all.
Easily. The sustained DPS you need for him dead at 6min is 29,167 DPS. Our Archimonde DPS is only a bit below this and thatās with all the fears, airbursts, and other nonsense that can RNG you into a bad spot. Brutallus is 95% plant-your-feet-and-nuke like Gorefiend, which sees us doing 35k in 2:21.
If we repeated our fastest Gorefiend kill on Brutallus, weād have 5.5mil to go with 3:39 sec on the clock. Thatās only 25k to finish up pre-enrage, and plenty of guilds killed him at 6:05+ without struggling too badly. Heās gonna get slaughtered provided Healers can keep Tanks alive and manage Burns.
You donāt get to not use your tools and call that throttling. Basic stuff.
Ah yes, holding keys on a mouse vs holding keys on a keyboardā¦ so different!
Thatās called flavor for your class given you have a decently high chance at failing to use your tools correctly. Thatās not a Tank problem, thatās a Hunter problem.
I have to throttle when it resist or when it doesnāt. Thatās what happens to good players, 2nd. I pump.
Can you please read.
Probably shouldnāt shoot things before anyone touches it.
Logs or go away.
Do you think 3.4k dps isnāt going to pull threat eventually? My really good fights are when my 1st and 2nd FDs donāt resist.
But no one can hold threat against me if I donāt try to mitigate/throttle it. I guess there are no tanks in WoW.
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I see yours. And theyāre not that great to be honest.
Thatās what I thought.
Until you post on this legendary 3.4k DPS Hunter and show logs, everything youāre saying is tripe.
Then stop replying to me, 2nd. Go work on being a better Druid before discussing Shamans.
Sure thing faker.
Canāt help yourself because you know Iām not lying.
Someday you can feel self worth. You donāt need to get it from a video game though.
That really sucks then. Hes going to get smashed.
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Was there ever a PTR version of him that was overtuned? Sort of like Magtheridon during beta?
Iām not sure, I was a terrible in original TBC. We killed him in like ZA gear lol.
This was fantastic to read. The amount of degeneracy going on in this thread is amazing, good times.
I have no reason to believe you.
Yup.
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what
strafing is important
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