Shaman is the only reason people play horde

Playing a shaman is like playing the game on story mode, couldnt be easier thats why the most annoying player flock to horde to pretend they have skill not realizing they are playing a unbalanced broken class, but i get it, if you have to be horde, and ugly, you need OP racials, you need shamans, that have 4 roles which he can tank, dps and heal equally on all of them,

whoever is in charge of gameplay balanced in blizzard should be moved to something he can handle like guarding a turtle from running away…

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ORC racials

and to a lesser extent undead racials which are still really strong

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troll attack speed is nothing to scuff either

Story mode engaged!

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Shamans help for sure as it wouldn’t make since for the alliance to get a second hybrid class like druids and horde not to either (not to mention having totems to offset how OP paladin blessings are like threat reduction) and aura. But other than that, I play horde because I love the races on the Horde side, especially Taurens and undead. I was even more happy when TBC came out and we got BE as no offense to the previous races mentioned, but having another race that wears shoes is nice because I don’t like playing orcs lol, and it was a fun slap to the face of alliance that they get all the pretty races as BE were pretty and yet badass elf version too.

I really hope if they create another seasonal server / classic + they just give both sides paladin/shamans at the start. Maybe throw in jewelcrafting as well to make things even more interesting with gearing/stat options and keep end game mining more alive than it is right now.

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what is the downside of a shaman? 4 specs top healing and damage on all 4,
utiliy totens,
FREEDOM???
MOUNT SPEED MOVE
pet stun?

how much crack did the intern smoke to create this? if you dont think its unbalanced just presume they are on ANY OTHER class and lets see how it looks

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Do you mean to be talking about Paladin?

2 bubbles, 3 stuns, LoH, plate armor, blessings, etc…

Just want to point out these arguments could have been nullified if blizzard had given horde and alliance the other unique class. Not even a lore reason behind any of it. Tauren can be pally and dwarves could be shaman. Would silence all of the bickering.

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paladin freedom can be dispelled like all seals, he cant attack with mount speed… it last only 3 sec… not 30sec

if you are comparing shamans with paladins you are not ready for this conversation specially hiding behind a alt

Have you looked in the mirror?

Shaman freedom can also be dispelled… Of all the things you cry about… The one thing you don’t mention is the only actual thing wrong with shamans, and that is their tankiness with wote/shield mastery in PVP.

Mount speed 30 second sprint? Its a 60% sprint for 15 seconds. It can be cast twice if the wolves survive 30 seconds to cast it again… While I do agree ele/resto shams should not be able to use wolves that is just a larger problem overall the with rune system design. Enh is 100% reliant on wolves and even with them they are still d tier garbage.

2 bubbles and loh that all cause forbearance, cannot be used together, deny wings, and have long CDs as well… What 3 stuns do paladins have? They have hoj and they have seal of justice that is an rng proc on auto attacks and you can only have one seal at time… is the third holy wrath? That ONLY stuns demons and undead? Plate armor is irrelevant and blessing gets removed by freedom and bop… What are you honestly crying about?

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you don’t understand that OP is talking about PvP, this arguments are not valuable for this

this is truth, but evil murlocs don’t want it (unfortunately, and it’s why PvP servers died and became monofaction)

1 bubble, as they share a cooldown with each other.
1 stun. Hammer of Justice. That’s the stun.
Plate armor is meaningless when everyone has non-physical damage. I went from 100-0 3 times against a rogue in full stunlock as a fully geared tank paladin. TRUST ME when I say plate is meaningless.
LoH is a 1 hour cooldown. What do paladins play once per hour then log?
Blessings are equivalent to totems.

Nobody takes you serious when ret paladins are 1 GCD geared players. SoD would benefit from warriors actually being playable in pvp, for everyone. This whole bickering of paladin vs shaman who is the MOST OP is a result of warriors being a free kill running around like a chicken with that stupid class shield that was supposed to be “spell reflect”

If you are geared, you aren’t getting a 1 GCD from a paladin. You will if you’re not geared though. My standard GCD with setup is around 3k in PVP.

I actually play horde just so that I don’t have to group up with rat pallies. In vanilla they were played by the absolute worst kind of people you could imagine meeting in an online game. And it seems that thats still the case based on other players I’ve talked to.

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Common denominator is you

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Idk which version of the game your talking about but paladin has 1 bubble and a bop which are on 1min forbearance, we have 1 stun HoJ, and an incapacitation if we went deep ret (repentance), LoH is 1h cd, and we can only have 1 blessing on at a time. why you mentioning plate armor? warrior wears plate but they one of the worst pvp classes

You spend everyday on the forums trolling and being toxic. Hope the light finds you brother

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