This sounds like you made it up.
Do you have sources for that?
Just what night elf fans have been spouting in other threads. Other than Winter Queen literally being Bwonsamdiâs boss. Those logs have long been up on Wowhead.
Followers of Elune go to Ardenweald, though. We definitely learned that at of the last alpha patch.
Yeah but my eyes arenât permanently attached to wowhead. So far I scrubbed for anything I can find in the last few minutes and drudged up nothing.
I havenât heard anything about the Winter Queen as a character, and everything Iâve seen coming from Ardenweald is about other things. Thereâs some connections for sure, but I donât actually think anything official was given yet.
I got you, homie.
Hey dere Winter Queen! Olâ Bwonsamdi can be explaininâ⌠see, I be findinâ out dat Muehâzala be takinâ ya loa away.
We face this challenge with dignity and remain united behind the Master. Revendreth remains resolute!
So I be helpinâ dis one find where dey be⌠deep in da Maw.
⌠Even if Ardenweald does not have the power to rebirth all spirits, they must all flow through here to try to be saved.
I will take these three spirits into our care. And you will find your way out of my land, Bwonsamdi.
https://www.wowhead.com/news=311903/shadowlands-alpha-build-9-0-1-33978-broadcast-text-bwonsamdi-voljin-winter-queen
And just like the night elf alliance themed god she is, she has to put our Horde god in his place as her pleb.
Ardenweald is a Nature-aligned afterlife for the entire universe. Many of its denizens arenât even Azerothian, much less Night Elven.
And, as far as I can remember, the only former-Night Elf weâve seen so far is a Kyrian.
Thatâs, so far, not even hinted at. Much less confirmed. And the only one Iâve seen really pushing the idea is a Blood Elf poster, for whatever thatâs worth. Not necessarily âNight Elf fansâ.
Also, Elune isnât uniquely Night Elven. Species across the universe worship her, as Elune. To the point the first Night Warrior probably isnât even a Night Elf, but an unknown alien species.
As near as I can tell, the consensus is that Bwonâs boss is Muehâzala. Whom he summarily helps overthrow.
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All followers of Elune go to Ardenweald. The zones are designed with night elf aesthetics, with nods to night elf world trees, and faaerie (elves aare fae in folklore) winter queen.
The zone is a permanent night forest. There are no jungles to it.
Yes it is. Thereâs a reason Eluneâs followers all go to Ardenweald.
Again: ALL Loa are beholden to the Winter Queen, whom they require for rebirth.
I already Knew Bwon worked for the Winter Queen, I probably shouldâve made that clear. What doesnât check out for me is the Winter Queen being âThe daughter of Eluneâ and the âNight Elven Death goddessâ.
Itâs just what night elf players have been saying, with data extrapolated from âall followers of Elune being sent to Ardenweald.â Including Ysera, whom Elune personally harvested.
After all, I need not remind you that night elves are Eluneâs chosen azerothian race.
Okay? Night Elf posters arenât the deciders of lore. Idc that they say things that are wrong and contradict the lore, let them have their collective delusion.
If you want to disregard that,
- Itâs a permanent night forest.
- Itâs never a jungle.
- The Winter Queen is specifically a fae.
- The followers of Elune go to Ardenweald.
- The zone is designed with night elven aesthetics.
- The Winter Queen, who has just been enormously helped by Bwonsamdi dunks on him as a high five for the Alliance.
- Eluneâs chosen champion is specifically woven into the Ardenweald Covenant storyline
- World Tree analogues.
- Tied specifically to the Emerald Dream, which only Night Elves are literally bound to.
- Fauna / Dryad link.
well I mean thatâs definitely your choice to make. I certainly ignored the very obvious evidence that Sylvanas was going to burn the tree because I was sure Blizzard would never demonize the Horde like that.
Aesthetics alone do not make it a Night Elven zone. Otherwise, Shadowmoon Valley and Duskwood are also Night Elven.
The only distinctly Azerothian presence there is the Drust.
Not all. Most, maybe. But as I pointed out, the only former-Night Elf that I remember seeing so far is a Kyrian (unless thatâs changed by now).
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Well, good thing it isnât just aesthetics.
If you mean the night warrior, thatâs definitely changed. I remember people saying the night warrior was kyrian a few months ago, but he isnât anymore. Or at least, people have said he isnât anymore. Iâm not in alpha/beta. Iâm going off of forums and wowhead.
Youâre confusing Night Warriors.
The First Night Warrior is a male that we see in Tyrandeâs quest chain. We see him in the⌠Maw I think?
The Kyrian one was Tyrandeâs predecessor, and is female.
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Thanks buddy.
I really donât care for Ardenweald having âNight Elven aestheticsâ, yes the Night Elves are most at home there instead of any of the realms, but it really doesnât say much for it being a Night Elven afterlife.
Elune is speculated to be worshiped more than just Azeroth, hence the line âThe Followers of Eluneâ actually doesnât mean anything. As for the Winter Queen being pro-alliance and dunking on Bwonsamdi? Again, Iâve never heard this.
Oh yeah, and the deers and trees being connected to Nature? Itâs almost as if itâs symbolic to some societies for those things, and doesnât necessarily mean that Aerdenweald is Night Elf only, or that the Winter Queen is Eluneâs daughter.
Seriously, you people take a ball and run a mile with it.
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No? It literally being said that itâs the night elven afterlife makes it the night elven afterlife. The window dressings just accentuate the fact.
Great, also meaningless. Her chosen race on Azeroth is not Tauren, Trolls, Orcs, Goblins, Pandaren, Blood Elves, Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, Draenei, High Elves, Worgen, or Vulpera.
Her chosen race on Azeroth is the Night Elven race, who are likewise the chosen race of Ysera, who bound them to the Emerald Dream â which Ardenweald mirrors.
Iâve literally just linked it to you???
So are kelp, sharks, whales, monkeys, scorpions, kodo, etc.
Time and again, night elven stuff is chosen.
Where?
You keep adding to the pile of things never stated in lore.
That probably doesnât look good for you then, because I didnât see anything that was a âdunkâ or even anything approaching that.
Maybe itâs your language you need to be more specific and careful about.
Sure those things are found in nature. They arenât really symbolic of nature though, I donât think you understand what I mean.
I donât remember where I read it. Whichever Night Warrior is in Ardenweald comments on it. Iâll bookmark your post and cast Raise Ally when I come across it next.
See above. Also, Ysera choosing the night elves and binding them to the ED is said in lore. Ion Kozzikostas specifically states that Ardenweald mirrors the Emerald Dream.
âNow get out of my realm.â
A fantastic way to reward the guy who just saved Ardenweald.
That sure is an opinion. Also? A moved goalpost.
Thereâs a whole gamut of natural things Blizzard couldâve chosen to put into the death realm for nature deities. They specifically and only chose night elven things.
No, itâs the same goalpost, you just missed the point.
They were never just Night Elf things. If you think so then I guess Duskwood is a Night Elf zone, and literally any other zone thatâs a forest, is dark, and has big trees and deer, or having any connection to the Emerald Dream.
No itâs not.
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Night Elves were bound to the tree, the tree was bound to the Dream via Yseraâs blessing, thus, Night Elves were bound to the Dream.
People feel Ardenweald is Night Elf centric because the notion of deciduous forests and Fairies are intimately wound up in real life fairy mythology and even in most âhigh fantasyâ universes thanks to Tolkien.
Night Elves are fairies and centaurs and night and stars and pretty things and houses in trees.
Trolls are jungles and tigers and bats and skulls and palm trees and vines and gold cities.
Itâs that simple.
Plus increasingly seems line the Winter Queen herself has Elune ties.
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