Shadows Rising: State of Azeroth Details

Doesn’t want to argue with the god who named him Zappy boi, but the community were the ones who named him Zappy boi…

Oh no.

We’re all the gods of Warcraft.

No wonder it’s so convoluted and dumb.

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I don’t see why Bwonsamdi would lie about it. He has nothing to gain from lying about it. He had nothing to lose by saying “hey, Saurfang’s in the maw.”
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Like Finninbas said, it gets Zekhan’s mind off of worrying about Saurfang’s fate who was struck down so easily by Sylvanas and possibly subjugated to unimaginable torment and pain in the afterlife. Saurfang died for a cause, a belief. Some might be less willing to risk themselves when they know the consequences are so dire.

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But Zekhan does know the consequences are so dire. He personally witnessed them. Saurfang’s fate doesn’t change that. He knows where he’s going if he dies.

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Neat. At least the Horde might still hold Hammerfall. I love that little place. It really brings back the old memories just thinking about it. I hope it becomes the Horde’s regional hub.

Also neat. I have been wondering if they would mention the status of such areas. It is hard to imagine Kul Tiras allowing Horde forts dotted across their land. It is interesting that they actually specifically mentioned the status of those in game situations.

It seems fair to say they are sort of like Garrisons, and more of a gameplay mechanism. Though I imagine we will use those same flight points and forts if we have modified content in those areas in the future. Similar to the Nzoth invasions in Uldum or the Vale of Eternal Blossoms.

It does clarify something I was wondering, though. Which is good. I do enjoy when they flesh out small details.

We also know Bwonsamdi needs mortals to dispose of Mueh’zala. So logically and possibly canonically, Zekhan is part of the entourage that defeats him, instead of champion and friends. Having him determined is important.

It’d behoove him to tell him that Saurfang is trapped in the Maw, and that Bwonsamdi can’t help to save him with Muehzala on his throat.

To be honest, I agree. But my issue is, if Saurfang found peace, and likely Bwonsamdi is that the source of that, that really undermines the threat that Sylvanas and the Jailor present.

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Well, Bwon is specifically at his limit saving the souls he can. There’s trillions of others he can’t. Every soul in the universe is going to the Maw, and Bwon can only save a small portion from Azeroth.

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Yeah, but it’s no secret that Saurfang was one of the biggest thorns in Sylvanas’ side, who is the Jailor’s most active agent. It’s not just a single soul, it’s pretty much public enemy number one to them. It should immediately skyline Bwonsamdi to be targeted. And if they can’t rid or destroy him in a timely manner, again, it undermines their threat level.

Well, Bwon is specifically being targeted in Shadowlands, with Mueh’zala imprisoning him in De Other Side, and we have to go save him. So he’s definitely not a friend of the Jailer.

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It would have been nice to have Saurfang be one of the souls rescued from the Maw. It would have been interesting to see how he handled being faced with the true depths of how badly he was played by Sylvanas and just how much he screwed things up for a lot of people, Horde and Alliance that got sent to the Maw after being killed in the useless war.

Then again I don’t know if the writers could handle having to have a character they like face that magnitude of failure.

And with all the mirroring of Sylvanas to Arthas done in BFA they really missed out of the chance to show how Saurfang/Sylvanas/Night Elves mirrored Ner’zhul/Kil’Jaden/The Dreanei.

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I haven’t read the novel yet, but Bwonsamdi is imprisoned but still able to call out for help? Or he saved Saurfang, the bad guys didn’t stop or revert the action, allow him to contact Zekhan… Not really making much sense.

I’m talking about in the game itself, after the novel. There’s a dungeon where you have to save him. So there are repercussions for his actions. The Jailer wants him gone.

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Seriously. I always thought the unnelves made sense. In the quest where you raise them, some accept the Gift while others turn into wisps and f off.

Which leads me to believe not everyone goes to the Maw just yet. But the Nelves who did, were full of hatred for Elune and Tyrande. Because they felt they’d been lied too.

This would be why Slyvanas had the Forsaken focus on Darkshore despite it not really having anything to do with them. The raised Nelves would get it and be loyal to her. And it seems a lot were.

That’s what I’m inferring. That Saurfang is ripped out of his happy afterlife, because why would he allowed that, even in normal circumstances. Bwonsamdi showing Zekhan anything is just a front(or misleading) since he doesn’t have much power with the current rulers of the Shadowlands. Any paradise that he gave Saurfang would likely be undone once he is found out and apprehended, so not too different than being fabricated.

No mention of his crush Aysa Cloudsinger?

Lies! You cant pin anything on me! I wouldn’t go sharing Lor’themar’s personal poetry for gold! State secrets maybe but I am not an insensitive monster!

I have always disliked that name. That said, if it is going to turn up in narrative in any fashion it strangely fits as a nickname from Bwonsamdi.

NIce to see they are keeping with Bwonsamdi’s pre BfA presentation. He is a trickster and he will exploit you if you present weakness but he does genuinely care about the trolls and the souls under his care. I was worried in BfA they might be starting to Sylvanas him.

It is also worth them mentioning there can be a sense of time distortion in the Shadowlands. Someone who might have only been dead for 5 minutes might have felt like it was 10 years.

To be honest, I think we are a little. It does feel like we are pretty weak in comparison. I mean, from what I have seen I have just found Thrall and Baine an embarrassment so far in Shadowlands.

Does the book mention any real corruption because from what I have seen of the Void elves so far it seems to be little more than cosmetic. I don’t think we have seen one Void Elf succumb to the whispers or suffer any real consequences from their Void powers. Demon Hunters and Death Knights struggled way more than Void Elves do. Apparently Fel and Death magic is a lot harder to deal with.

Why wouldn’t he be allowed that in normal circumstances? He died seeking redemption so he wouldn’t really need to go to Revandreth and he was tired of war so Maldraxxis wouldn’t really suit him. His actions were certainly not bad enough to have him sent to the Maw. The Arbiter seems to care less about the moral code and actions of the souls she processes than their suitability and potential for disruption of the Shadowlands. Hell, we have Lady Vashj turning up in Maldraxxis and she was way worse. Plus we know Durotan ended up in some more peaceful afterlife and people can actually move from one realm to another over time. They suggested that one day Draka and Durotan could end up in the same realm again.

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There is not. She never appears or is even mentioned by Ji.

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I wonder who Valeera Sanguinar is this misterious Sin´dorei but faction neutral rogue member of the Uncrowned and friend of Shaw with such high standing with the council that she can even snoop into Bob´s stuff!!! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Called it, people.

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