I second that.
I don’t think Thunderbluff would be the target of a NE attack. The target would be Orgrimmar since the Horde itself attacked the NEs, not teh Taurens or the Forsaken.
The whole Horde thus you strike at teh capital where it began.
Honestly, I took Malfurion’s lines to be more in the vein of “It was too soon to start opening up talks with the Horde again”, than any hint towards retaliation. But, I am also in near constant dread of the moment they switch him back to a neutral peacenik again.
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Good point. Regardless the Night Elves would not bat an eye at Durotar being wiped out by Malfurion but they would bat an eye at him arranging the Genocide of the Botani(who have just as much a grudge against the Orcs) to cover it up and avoid actual War with the Horde.
Malfurion would be putting the Alliance Leadership in the exact same situation that Blackhand and Gul’dan put Doomhammer(who was practically forced to fight the Alliance out of fear of retaliation and was full willing to accept peace talks from Alterac when they sent the bird) in!
I really doubt it.
Malfurion has done toughter decisions in the past and has absolute and full authority, he is actually even above Tyrande in that regard, though they rule togather as a couple.
IF Malfurion would waant to wipe someone out he could.
There would be actually no consequences at all. The Alliance might be annoyed but they have done worse against the NEs.
Especially with that happened in BFA the NEs pretty much are free to act as how ever they want.
In fact half of SWs nobles would probably even support them for taking that stance against the Horde.
Gilneas is also at the side of the NEs since they suffered the same.
The Dwarves might care but on the other hand we have the Darkiron in charge.
Really I don’t think that we are at a point anymore where the Alliance would defend their “paladin status” by any means. If the NEs want to go rampage, they won’t stop them. They will just look away for the time and act if nothing has happened.
The Alliance may look away yet the Horde won’t. Malfurion if anything is pragmatic(taught that way of thinking by Krasus himself) and the Horde has aided against Deathwing and the Legion so why make the group he wants vengeance on(that could still be used after being punished) to make the Night Elves a target again!?!
The only risk to framing the Botani(a long enemy of the Orcs) for his wiping out Durotar single-handedly is being found out which would put the blame squarely on him not the Night Elves nor rest of the Alliance!
According to a reddit post I saw a while ago, presumably based on Shadows Rising, dwarfs [and probably void elves] actually might support night elves…
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I would find it more likely that the Botani would become an Alliance Allied Race.
The Horde can get the Saberon.
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Botani!?! The same people the Draenei were fighting against in Shadowmoon Valley and Gorgrond!?!
Yep. We know that through shows of strength the Botani can become you ally instead of your enemy, as is the case with Phylarch the Evergreen:
- Phylarch the Evergreen: Your… Your species is superior. I am yours to command.
Phylarch the Evergreen: I will journey to your fortress, master. Once there, all that I know, you will know.
- For tens of thousands of years we Botani have clashed against the mightiest forces of this world, but none have had your unbridled ferocity and resilience.
I… I concede to your battle prowess.
And as you pointed out, Malfurion is very powerful in nature magic.
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Mhm I wonder what this post is based on.
Sadly I haven’t red the book yet so I am not aware if the peace council was shown in the book or what the poster refers to.
The cinematic looked a bit strange.
Well, it mentions Shadows Rising and the epilogue from BfA where Tyrande is followed by all the dwarf leaders, Turalyon, and Alleria.
Rather strange to see lightforged not following, but I guess Turalyon covers that.
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Hm? The Dwarves are basically not in Shadows Rising at all.
I guess there was confused info from BfA epologue video, and whatever else from the book (if anything).
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Yes I know that cinematic… but I find it rather strange … and not really … mhm convincing.
It could also just be that they leave the room one by one because the talking was over. Not to show sides. Because the cut happens exactly after the last one turned and walked out, we don’t see what happens after teh camera switches to Genn and Anduin but in the last scene only Jaina stands there still, impyling that every other leader walked out aswell.
At least that is how I interpreted the cinematic.
Might be a bigger meaning behind it though, but the fast cut made it not clear wether or not the other were staying.
These are the opinions of the Dwarven leadership after the epilogue video:
Moira:
- The Alliance an’ Horde have both suffered terribly in this war, an mistakes were surely made on both sides.
What matters now is how we move forward! Do we learn somethin’ from all o’ the bloodshed an’ loss, or do we keep on repeatin’ the past?
Muradin:
- Peace with the Horde?
I’d be lyin’ if I told ye that I trust 'em after all they’ve done…
But who knows? Maybe with the Banshee Queen gone, they’ll finally be able tae live peacefully. An’ if they do go back tae their old ways, the Bronzebeard Clan, will be here to put 'em in their place!
Falstad:
- So it’s peace now, eh? After all that?
Ach, well, it’s worth a shot I guess. I can forgive… but a Wildhammer never forgets!
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Too be fair.
Except for Moira, I woulnd’t be surprised if the Dwarved were like “war? great never liked that peace idea with those monsters anyway”.
So I think chronos claim is not necessarily wrong.
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Thanks for clarification.
We’ll see if the devs will be able to make something… more convincing if they try “faction conflict” again.
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Lateish reply but I don’t get the resistance to the idea of attacking Thunder Bluff. Tauren are still horde and remained as such throughout BFA. If the alliance were to attack, and TB ended up being the weakest link, why not go for the obvious target? I’d think to do otherwise would be to waste troops on a more defended target, and you’d end galvanizing all of the races to prepare for an attack, shoring up whatever weaknesses were there.
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I am not hesitating. I would personally throw a Moon on the city.
But I might be mistaking something, Thunderbluff doesn’t look like the best strategic point to attack.
Firstly:
Orgrimmar is in better reach, it basically is within a catapults reach from Mt Hyjal… hehe.
Secondly: Why getting for the small fish if the big one is in reach?
Thunderbluff is not even a costal city and Orgrimmar has been besieged now 2 times, its weakness is known and supplys are more easyly secured through Ashenvale than through the barrens.
I just don’t see Thunderbluff as a usefull target nor one that is in the way.
And since NEs want revenge on the ones responsible, chances are they are more numerious in Orgrimmar, not Thunderbluff. Especially since the Forsaken are there aswell and those were responsible for Darkshore, they have to die.
Baine brings up burning Thunder Bluff and/or Orgrimmar, but it didn’t really move Tyrande when Baine did so.
I suspect most Horde fans will not like the following passages, but this is what comes up when the Horde tries to apologize and what Tyrande says she wants:
- “Calia Menethil has come, she stands as an example of how we hope to change,” Thrall soldiered on. Calia nodded, but mercifully kept silent. “Lilian Voss now speaks for the Forsaken. Both women seek to reforge themselves anew, free of Sylvanas, free of her poisonous influence. Those who are sympathetic to the traitor have been exiled, her loyalists torn out by the roots. Baine Bloodhoof even sought to overthrow Sylvanas and remove her as warchief; it is only a shame that he did not do so sooner, and that more did not listen.”
Was he speaking to a wall? Would nothing move Tyrande? Even Malfurion gave him the smallest nod of understanding, perhaps only indicating that he was listening.
To his surprise, Shandris Feathermoon removed her helmet, revealing the red tattoos and startling white eyes beneath. “You will understand our hesitation, Thrall. Even promises made by our own allies have been broken. I would hear more of what you have come to say, but only because I crave justice as dearly as I crave healing for our people.”
Maiev scoffed. “Have a care, Shandris. Listen to his honeyed words at your peril, believe him at your peril, join the Horde to hunt Sylvanas at your peril, for once the deed is done, you will again find their daggers at your back.”
At that, Tyrande almost smiled.
“When you have washed the bodies of a thousand kaldorei burned and broken, when you have fallen to your knees and kissed the feet of a thousand mourning souls, when you look into their eyes and tell them ‘our Horde has changed’ and they believe you, only then will I accept your apology and treat you as my equal.” Tyrande’s voice, edged as steel, pulled the air out of the clearing. “My brethren here may be willing to entertain your empty pledges of justice and aid, but I know better. I have learned better.”
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