Shadowlands won’t actually "UNPRUNE"

[Revolution-emerald-dream]

Could you please present the data you refer to?

[Demonfall-thrall]

Hasn’t been around 15 years. Which is a huge point. MMOs will always have a fraction of their playerbase after such a long time. FF never had the player base WoW had to lose

Still does not matter apples and oranges…talking about now…and I would wager the in game numbers are fairly close to each other… and Final fantasy has been going for 7 years as a mmo…

[Akston-area-52]

Still does not matter apples and oranges…talking about now…and I would wager the in game numbers are fairly close to each other… and Final fantasy has been going for 7 years as a mmo…

But it does matter when someone stated

I am sure that is why the population is a shred of its former self

We are literally talking about the population dwindling over a 10+ year period.

And like I said. FF over its 7 years never had the population to lose.

[Demonfall-thrall]

Meh like talking to a brick wall why do I even try…should have knew better

[Akston-area-52]

You seemed to have jumped into the middle of a conversation, and wanted to change topics from what I was even talking about. Then started blaming me when I pointed that out.

Someone brought up WoW losing its population over time. That was the topic.

If you want to talk about a brand new topic, I am more than willing to. But please let me know if you want me to completely ignore what I was talking about and the entire point I was making.

[Gymn-stormrage (Gymn)]

Among other things

flying
beat the clock
weapon drops / sources
gearing
rental gear
and
Unprunning

and many other things

I am not pre ordering shadowlands.

I have a sinking feeling that the level squish is gonna take a year or longer to fix all incoming bugs.

and unpruning should / must include full access to the entire spell book, not just a given specs spell book along with restoring spells that were taken away and made classes at best on trick ponies.

[Demonfall-thrall]

What ever you say sweetcheeks

[Akston-area-52]

I will always been amused when a person is shown they were wrong, how fast they jump to personal insults.

[Demonfall-thrall]

Lol…I was wrong? Ok sweetcheeks

[Akston-area-52]

You jumped into the middle of a conversation, wanted to talk about something else. And then started acting silly when it was pointed out.

Anyways, have a great day. I hope you one day are able to talk to people in a mature manner.

[Demonfall-thrall]

Yep like talking to a brick wall

[Apoth-nagrand]

But it will be marketed this way, they even called Holinka of all people “the unprunner”.
Blizzard knows a major reason most people abandoned WoW is because classes are trash, and when classes are trash that is 90% of your gameplay feeling terrible and also completely removes casual pvp as an endgame activity since it is no longer fun.

Shadowlands is clearly nowhere near ready, they clearly rushed 8.3 so they can move to shadowlands yet they only have 10 months to go(Activision is unlikely to let them delay to 2021).

Classes will once again get a couple of rental abilities along with a few rental passives aka soulbinds, their “unprunning” shown in blizzcon showed only a few worthless abilities that are not even part of the rotation, they arent some ultra strong cooldown like rewind time, cold snap for fire for double dragon’s breath or symboisis etc, instead they are silly class flavour abilities with very niche use that are rarely used.

In other words they will unprune a few generic abilities so the people who were too dumb to realize why pruning was bad but simply jumped on the hate bandwagon because everyone said it was bad will think “they listened”. People will celebrate some irrelevant niche skills coming back while in reality that will not affect core rotations or pvp in any meaningful way. That is no unpruning

And no, I dont care about the blizzard fanboys or bad players who are gonna defend the current class design, I am playing Swtor, a game with vastly superior classes and therefore pvp on par to MoP.

People who enjoy skilled pvp want the unprunning, because in swtor thanks a ton of utility(of course out of the GCD), multiple life saving defensive cooldowns as well as strong DPS cooldowns if you know your class you can easily survive and beat multiple average people, because skill is what matters in pvp, unlike WoW where gear matters more than skill.

Edit: In b4 “But you cant judge it until it is out”, just like they said you cant judge BfA until it is out, until the first month, until 8.1, until 8.2, until the last patch of the expansion.
Fact is, people pointed out BfA was trash as early as the beta and the issues were BLATANT within the first week, but fanboys couldnt handle it so they desperately tried to defend a bad game.

To be honest what they need to do is have completely separate talent trees for PvP and PvE. The PvP talent tree would only work in instanced PvP. “World PvP” should stop being a thing entirely or would use PvE talent trees.

I personally am sick of PvP messing with PvE, class changes to balance PvP shouldn’t be a thing and can effectively be done by having a separate talent tree for instanced PvP content.

[Saángreal-moon-guard (Saángreal)]

Still not a fan of the GCD and then randomly assigned spells locked into the talent bar.

What I miss most about WoW is how you could tinker with macros and the way spells in conjunction with each other for interesting effects.

I think they are afraid of letting us do this and now want to make certain we don’t figure out an unintended combination.

Pruning just makes me look at this game as shifting toward mobile and Diabloesque play and not what I had when I first played.

[Stompypotato-durotan (Stompypotato)]

I was thinking the same thing. While I agree with some of this assessments, it seems like every 5 hours or so he finds something to target and needle to death.

[Wuzeh-wyrmrest-accord]

I’m half considering refunding my purchase if deep freeze doesn’t come back.

Reforged burned me hard. I’m done being patient with Blizz.

[Raicolette-moon-guard (Raicolette)]

He’s not wrong though. Pretty consistent with Blizzard’s practices.

[Alberric-dalaran (Alberric)]

I will always been amused when a person is shown they were wrong, how fast they jump to personal insults.

Does someone give you homework assignments to come up with long winded threads like this?

lmfao ‏‏‎ ‏‏‎

[Acitamos-korialstrasz]

in get a couple of rental abilities along with a few rental passives aka soulbinds, their “unprunning” shown in blizzcon showed only a few worthless abilities that

Remember this? I want this back except bigger and better. I also want reforging back!

I bet the WoW community would lose their crap (in a good way) if brought back an extensive kit. It would be very exciting. Imagine playing Hybrids again?

No I don’t want to go play classic, besides it was WotLK that had the biggest Talent tree. It might explain why it was one of the most loves expansions.

[Grummle-deathwing]

Agree you both have your own opinion on classes. I’m with the “they’re trash” statement personally.

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

Any particular reason why you haven’t moved on and made a thread about Shadowlands? I mean, aren’t you playing SWTOR and loving that game more so then WoW and think WoW is trash/hate it?

Agree you both have your own opinion on classes.

Same here. I don’t think anybody should be like “Oh your wrong for liking it and you should feel bad” to a subjective opinion. Personally on my subjective opinion, i don’t think the BFA Classes aren’t good, nor terrible either, their serviceable at best.