Actually true.
They’ve got a license to print money. There are so many people that will continue playing a sub-par product due to the sunk cost it will never matter. They’ll play through anything.
If Shadowlands ends up in the same “Bad” ballpark as BFA/WOD, that will mean that 3 of the last 4 expansions have been terrible experiences. And their subscriber counts are still in the millions.
Dont worry, master loot was never available in LFR anyway.
I am involved in the development process for my company and I was just thinking this. If we released an unfinished product we would get crushed by our competition.
Wow doesnt have any along with a following that will accept pretty much anything. So even if it is horrible they will continue on about their day and not care.
iTs oNlY bEtA!
Got it, so like every expansion at launch then. Thanks for clarifying.
It is for Blizzard. Ya know, the only people who it actually matters if the expansion is a “failure” to.
Then quit. You won’t be missed by any players still playing. If Blizzard misses you, well then things might change. They might not.
You simply don’t understand “incomplete” is contextual.
This isn’t a quest missing a few lines of dialogue or something that can be quickly fixed in a prepatch - It’s classes straight up not working (mistwalker comes to mind), shoddy systems and an unfinished zone.
They’re really handing out the green titles aren’t they?
What doesn’t work about Mistweaver? Did a bunch of keys these last few weeks with Mistweavers and they seemed perfectly capable.
Not sure why you persist with this shallow argument though. You are contradicting yourself within a few words.
“Shoddy systems” does not mean the game is incomplete, or even a failure for that matter.
Its just your OPINION that the systems are shoddy, and, like all systems, are things that are going to be iterated upon for the next 2 years anyway.
Nothing new and nothing worth worrying about.
I had a look at your account though, and it seems like you didn’t actually play this past expansion, so I see why this topic is being made.
If you are the type of person who quits the same month the game launches, do you, but don’t come out and act like you are speaking for everyone.
I mentioned the people who will play daily no matter what state things are in without realizing you are the polar opposite, but I’m glad I did now!
Hard to take anything serious from some one who put so little effort into the expansion that’s out. Can only IMAGINE what that means for the effort levels you have put into Shadowlands!
I Agree beta looks a mess, reminds me exactly of BFA beta. We wont get out of beta till about patch 10.0 
But I Disagree about the WOD thing, SL is gonna be way worse then WOD.
But , I hated legion as a reference so im of different opinion.
So. Nothing, Gotcha
Seems like anti vaxxer logic
It is about time we got there.
Retail needs to be plugged off the life support and let to pass away in peace.
Dedicated expansion servers for the best expansions are the way forward.
Mistweaver has great throughput in Shadowlands from what I see. There’s a Mistweaver on my raid team, and he complains about some of the class identity and utility stuff, but there’s no denying that MW is viable in terms of throughput. I think Blizz just did a huge bugfix pass for them, but I heard there’s still a few left. OP is doomsaying pretty hard, imo.
Can’t wait for 9.3 to fix all the problems. 
Ya I mean its getting more like trolling than anything real at this point.
To say that a spec is not functioning, and continuing to use it as a talking point when its just a lie is hard to respect.
Glad I’m not going crazy though haha! Mistweaver does have problems with identity, but I never mind seeing them in my dungeons.
OP didn’t post on his main or on the beta feedback forum for a reason. He hasn’t played beta, nor does he push endgame content. Just another troll.
op is 100% right
most people i know are leaving for ffxiv a game with a dev team who cares about the community and works with them. blizz just does whatever they feel like and ignores the ppl who really care about the game. the only good thing they are doing is making end game about raids but ffxiv does that so much better.
unless they #pulltheripcord and hold systemlands off for a few months? wow will be at tortanic levels in no time
Uh, did it not? I recall them adding in various vendors to ease the pain and adding several tiers / expanding the system.
It may of not completely corrected but it went from being painful to being tolerated to some degree.
This part I do not mind. Imbalance is good for PvE and it is a good way to show min/max people you do not care what they think.
I honestly wasn’t too bothered about the status of Shadowlands. I’ve done enough xpacs recently to have decided that the first patch or two are basically throwaways. I can grind through all the roadblocks from the start… or I can wait a patch or two and use the catchup mechanisms.
What bothers me is, the feature I was most excited about (Chromie time; basically, the zone scales to your level, as in Live (per what my wife, who has leveled a lowbie recently, tells me), but it stays scaled to your level for the entire leveling of 10-50) has been seriously nerfed. (For more information from people in the PTR, check out the PTR forum.) Instead of “experience an entire xpac as you level” (to paraphrase as to their initial announcement), it seems Blizzard is actively going out of its way to push people from Exile’s Reach to Shadowlands, and damned to any content in between.
As soon as you reach level 50, you’re not only kicked out of Chromie time (i.e., each individual zone has its own range of levels across which it will scale to your level, but stops at its maximum), but you’ll also be teleported to the capital city to start Shadowlands.
The workaround that the PTR testers found was to visit the NPC that locks your XP progression. So the next build, Blizzard set it so you can be in Chromie time, or you can have your XP progression locked, but you CAN’T do both at the same time.
The latest workaround is something about grouping up with someone (possibly a starter account on your own account?) and somehow that’ll scale down your level to theirs. (Or something. I don’t know, I haven’t done leveling lowbies since pre-Legion.)
Ya party sync works with chromie time and now only scales the character to 50 regardless of level or selection.
Really nice change that allows you to keep all of your spells and talents and even seemingly things like covenant stuff.
Was quite fun to go try to solo dungeons as a fully geared 60, and no longer need anything but a starter account to do any content in the game.
Love the concept, but you seem to be suggesting it might not be staying that way?
Either way, chromie time is a leveling system purely. Did you expect otherwise?