For point 7: I think my point there was that we have something that is for US. Not giving up to top tier DPS. I think that idea is garbage. It should be something that is specifically unique to us as rets without having to dole it out to others. And that’s kind of my point with rune of gargoyle (5% increase to stats/armor), they can’t transfer their runes to anybody. That is theirs. We should have spells like that. A good half of our utility is able to be given to others. Aside from healing classes, I don’t think there’s another class that has this sort of “debuff”.
Ret is about an A tier melee atm. Assas and WW are S+ tier melee, Warrior, DH, DK are S tier (Warrior opinion is a bit of a hot topic but imo I think they are insanely strong atm). Ret/warr/mw is by far our best comp and theoretically beats every single melee cleave in the game.
I’d say B tier at best.
Arms, WW, Dh, Dk are A tier. Because they’re obviously better than us. And rogue is a level above every other melee.
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Ww is def pretty even with rogue. Def better than dk and dh. (Keep in mind I’m only rating on 3s and not 2s, and with compositions and number of viable compositions in mind, if 2s Ret would be B tier for sure.)
well ww being s tier would be because of how good ring of peace and parry fist are.
The good old stuck the healer into a wall or stuck the destro with x3 spite into a corner. Literally so disgusting.
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Since I don’t pvp, I can’t speak to that. But I will say that as far as PVE, we are certainly not A tier unless you are super geared out and have good enchants (where they exist) and the perfect trait set up. So like 1% of all rets out there essentially. X-D
Either way, we have always needed some love and I could bet my paycheck that Blizz WON"T buff us up and then half way through nerf us like they always do. I think the changes I and many others have mentioned would really make us super competitive.
But for some reason, Blizz doesn’t like us enough to fix what’s broken.
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Yeah and the fact of how disgusting ww/destro is. Also we probably won’t be seeing rogue as much anymore because of all the vers amps with conflict that will happen late season. It’s already really hard for rogues on tr to significantly pressure me without vendetta with my full vers amp/conflict major
Ya i was stating only for 3s. I haven’t paid much attention to pve meters since Uldir which is the last time I pve’d seriously.
Go back to the old school blessing buffs where you can give it to the entire group/raid, but update the mechanics of it. (ie: No reagent cost)
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The talent could just add a heal to tv
I know not everyone enjoyed this playstyle, but I used to love SoC in classic (remake not vanilla). It was enjoyable when it went off, like Wind Fury. Was it perfect? No… But it was fun enough… #SealofCasino
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I think the seals just needed tweaking. They shouldn’t have removed them altogether. But that’s Blizz for you when it comes to the Ret pally: Slight buff here, Major nerf there…remains a mediocre class…
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I liked seals (the later stance like ones, not the initial 30 second duration ones.) Even if there was always a mathematically correct option in every situation it felt like meaningful choice and was a great bit of class flavor.
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Kinda like the idea and if i understand what your saying you cast and you get 30% movement speed and when you cast it again you get 60 and then the 3rd time is the blink and then it has a 1.5 min cd. The problem i see is if thats how you ment it then casting it 3 times for the blink effect.
The damage it dose is junk and the healing it does is also junk it needs to be reworked or removed. It is not worthy of being a talent
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Miggz my man I agree with you I have made a thread about getting seals to comeback. I loved their game play. You should look up the tread. I do not want to divert this thread but its worth a read.
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So, if I am getting this right, we go alpha build over alpha build without any meaningful class changes (not only ret, but classes in general), this looks like BfA alpha all over again. Glaring issues aren’t adressed, then comes beta, then comes: “whoops, sorry guys, no time for any changes anymore.” I remember this shaman and priest disaster.
They put all their effort into that damn tower and I already get the feeling that this feature won’t be worth the wait. Instanced content where you can get overpowered af and as soon as you leave you lose all the goodies. That takes rental gear to a whole new level of bs.
To put it frankly: dear devs, you can give us the best-est-est content you want, it won’t matter if classes are sh*t.
Edit: are there any of our theorycrafters in the alpha already (not sure about Solsacra doing theorycrafting anymore, but how about Skeletor?)? If so, what are their opinions on ret and paladin things like Ret Aura?
I’m really missing some outcry on the alpha forums. Although alpha class forums seem to be quite dull anyway.
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Because they make sure only random casuals that doesnt care about the game get alpha.
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I think a big part of the problem is that the devs don’t engage with the testers on the forums. People gave decent feedback, but it seems to be falling on deaf ears. I would stop giving feedback either, if I had the feeling noone cares for it.
Edit: by second reading, my last sentence is quite ironic. xD
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I mean when they made a post about blessings of seasons they acknowledged the guy in the forum thread about spell highlight on things like Shield of the Righteous. And let’s be honest, I don’t give a single crap that it has a highlight or not in the spellbook. I never open it. But they responded to that specific useless thing among all the feedback that the thread had to make Ret better.
It’s so infuriating.
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