Shadowlands new toon theory, and flying

I said “I am happy with what I get”. Meaning specifically WoW with pathfinder part 2. I didn’t mean it as a generalization. I am very often displeased with what I get, like I can’t stand classic WoW for example.

What a bunch of nonsense. Wow is for imagination? Are you serious? Wow isn’t the only game I play. Play many games and every single one I play, I play for fun.

Yes blizz I see what you mean, blizz brainwashed the population into thinking flying was an undeserved privilege

Well, guess you’re just a clam since you’re going to sit here and lie about what you said when I can quote it. Just literally stop talking to people.

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If you hate flying, Classic is that way
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But, you’re confused. How could I be happy with what I “get”(past tense), if the “get” you’re referring to is blizzard’s scenario that I “would be”(future tense) happy if they decided to implement? These are two specific things, what I get is pathfinder part 2, what I would be happy with as well, is WoW without flying. You can try to dance with words if you want to but it seems silly to me.

@Drakulos yes, it’s a role playing game. You’re meant to get into the role. It’s an imagination thing at its core. Players like you repurpose the rpg experience into something that is not an rpg experience, simply defining it as a “game” just like any other game you play for fun. I play every game for a different reason. If all you play games for is fun, Idunno about that. That seems like a waste of time to me, like I said previously.

edit: Like for example, do you play dark souls or other from software games? Do you understand that it’s considered masochistic to play those games basically? You are constantly met with failure, it’s a bleak feeling experience, but it’s very incredibly impressive and an amazing experience that is 100% worthwhile. I would never call any of those games fun though. They are intensely engaging and gripping in their tone, but definitely not fun.

Not brave. Foolhardy.

Writing off any portion of the playerbase after the how many, 8 million who have left since the start of wod? would clearly be a decision based on something other than future profits.

I don’t want to start new toons in some random place. One of the wonderful things about this game is the fact that each race has their own lore, and at level 1, you enter the world and learn that lore. To take that away is a huge mistake. I do not mind that they changed the zones beyond lvl 10 so that you can level any place you want, as once you finished the starting zone, you could go to different places anyway. But to lose this core part of the game is a shame.

In your opinion, but it would be brave ultimately. As it would lead to a better game that is closer to the artistic direction the developers want out of it. You as a playerbase are preventing them from creating the game they truly want for themselves. If they could have it their way(they should be entitled to this), there would be no flying. But you are all entitled crybabies who can’t respect what you’re given, so we get flying.

Rah capitalism is fun.

Mount equipment is dead if they don’t bother with it in shadowlands. Meanwhile they had to nerf the strider to do it and that was their endgoal anyways.

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I just spent 92 hours in Sekiro and I got 100% of the achievements. I had fun for every minute of it. Otherwise why play? It’s laughable that you don’t think wow is a game to be played for fun.

It is a game you can play for fun for sure. I just think it’s one of the most base levels you can appreciate a game like WoW or sekiro. Some aspects of WoW are undeniably purely fun, but that’s not why I play the game. It’s just a small part of the game, like certain quests or certain mechanics, certain dialogues. Most of the time I am playing for RP immersion though. You think people just run around frollicking because it’s fun in the real world? I have far more than enough fun in my life, even in my WoW experience.

It’s laughable that you think that your way is the only way one should appreciate video games. I get that fun has value, but to assert that fun is the end all be all is pretty lame and uninspired.

You’re trying to high brow wow and video games in general. You sound ridiculous.

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The only thing ridiculous here is your judgmental attitude toward someone’s appreciation of art. It’s not like I am claiming video games are fine art, but they are definitely of more creative value than some base emotional experience like simple fun.

If wow wasn’t fun nobody would play it. If video games weren’t fun nobody would bother with them at all.

I agree, that doesn’t mean they should only be used to have fun with. You lack immersion and imagination from my perspective, if what you’re saying is true.

So immersion and imagination are fun for you? If that’s how you derive enjoyment from wow then that means you find those aspects fun.

Enjoyment isn’t the key here though, compelling levels of immersion are. I don’t care if I am not enjoying myself as long as the feelings I am experiencing are compelling enough to interest me.

It’s not necessarily fun, it’s interesting. Fun is a clearly defined experience, pretty objective generally speaking. Interest could come in any form. Sometimes in WoW when I am tanking I am feeling very stoic and serious, and I really like that feeling. It’s not remotely fun, it’s very stressful and intense, but like I said, that suits me.

Fun doesn’t suit everyone, nor should it. It’s really overrated and once you get your fill of it, it’s more interesting to seek richer more meaningful feelings. There are better vibes to be had than just fun. That’s not to say you should stop having fun, because that’s a bad decision, but to act like everything should be fun is just crazy. Like you want the whole world to be like an episode of teletubbies or something.

At the end of the day if you enjoy whatever feeling you’re getting from wow that equates to fun. Regardless of what you say you’re getting enjoyment out of the feelings wow makes you have at any given moment. If you didn’t enjoy those feelings you wouldn’t play. It all boils down to enjoyment/fun.

Yeah, like I said, it’s not enjoyment. You’re twisting the meaning of my statement to suit your own message when I clearly expressed it wasn’t about enjoyment.

To like something is not to enjoy it. Enjoyment is also an objective experience, that while broadly applicable, still holds a specific meaning. I said I like the aspects I am explaining, not that I enjoy them.

It all boils down to interest and curiosity to me. I am more or less over the desire for fun things. I could have fun doing anything to be honest, but it’s a basic experience so I’m not interested anymore. I’d rather seek out more inspired emotions than “fun” and “enjoyment”.

I get that you haven’t had enough fun in your life yet, but it’s silly to act like your perspective is the end all be all. It’s also incredibly immature of you to ridicule someone for playing a game for reasons beyond simply just having fun.