Ok, here’s an argument. Voidform doesn’t work in dungeon content. Shadow priest has routinely been the worst ranged spec in mythic+ for 4 years. It’s also garbage in open world content because of the long ramp up time. It’s easier and faster to do stuff as holy or disc.
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I can tangentially agree with everything but the last sentence. As someone that almost exclusively plays Holy, Holy is still the worst open world spec in the game. Holy Nova is pitiful AoE and while Holy and Disc are pretty-much even on DPS, at least Disc has virtually no threat of dying in open world content.
he’s a troll it been proven multiple times don’t take the bait sir and just ignore him. He grows on these redundant posts.
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Dude, go away. I’ve already invited you to prove yourself not a troll in a debate. You never jumped in for debate, and now you’re labeled a troll. Go away would you, you are in fact a troll.
You don’t main shadow either buddy, so clearly it doesn’t matter to you.
Yes, I hope your Holy spec gets fixed up too. Good lord it needs it. But please stop jumping in the way of Shadow’s heavily requested rework.
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…Who are you?
Uh, I’m sorry, but you’re not the arbiter of these forums. Declining an “invite for a debate” from you (An “invite” that I clearly had no idea I was given?) doesn’t make a troll, and I suggest you look up what the definition of a troll is next time.
Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by ignorance.
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When was the proper time to advocate for changes on a scale that is not possible during a patch cycle?
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I can’t give you insight on how long Blizzard expects a full re-designing of a spec (Shadow, Disc) to last in terms of expansion cycles, but I can say pretty much with 100% confidence that it’s not “one”.
If you wanted to more saliently make the argument of changing Shadow Priest to a different iteration, old or otherwise, it would have to be done either at the beginning, or in the middle of an expansion cycle, not at the very end when the major changes of the next expansion have already been laid out.
The amount of calls to completely re-work Shadow Priest right now during the Alpha is far and away larger than it has been in the past. I’ve already stated before that making those calls during an Alpha is already too late.
If Blizzard had any intentions on gutting the current iteration:
- It would’ve been announced at Blizzcon since that type of change is arguably bigger in terms of balance than any of what was revealed (2H Frost, Holy Power for Paladins, etc.)
- It would’ve been datamined months ago
- Spells and talents would’ve all needed to be reworked, and would’ve shown up on the Alpha in completely different iterations by now
Plenty of player feedback, but you just throw it away like trash by calling it an “echo chamber”. Can’t even recognize that people are upset that the Priest experience is pretty damned terrible in most of the content that the game currently has. Let me know when Priest has a similar experience in dungeons and open world content as a Monk or a Paladin. At that point, you will actually have a legitimate point about it being an echo chamber. You’re effectively just covering your eyes and screaming “I CAN’T HEAR YOU LA LA LA”.
If I build a bridge to connect an island to the main land, but its has design flaws (was built too low, and is only above the waterline for 6 hours of the day), and people have spent literally YEARS trying to “fix” the bridge by putting up sand bags (the sandbags makes the bridge passable for 8 hours of the day, but brings it down to one lane instead of two, and you can’t stack the sandbags any higher or the supports will collapse), at some point, if you WANT to actually be able to travel back and forth at any time of the day or night (which is what people expect out of a bridge), then almost all that work (of building a hilariously poorly designed bridge) WILL have to be undone.
When something is that bad, its better to start over from scratch than continuously pour time and money into it, especially when you aren’t sure that the upgrades will actually be able to get the job done.
Either fix the spec (I’m sure they’re going to take a stab at this somehow, but my confidence that they’ll be able to do it without getting rid of 90% of the ramp [which they seem intent on keeping] is “low” at this point), or admit that it can’t be fixed and redesign. Neither has occurred in the past 4 years. Saying that there’s nothing wrong with the spec so you can preserve all that well-intentioned, but ultimately failed work, serves nobody any good. Nobody with a level head thought that the ridiculous heights that the original void form allowed back in Legion was a viable thing. That was eventually “fixed”, at the cost of the class being … the way it currently plays.
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I would hope comments of this nature could be seen as evergreen, especially when a large amount of comments regarding problems with voidform, including those highlighted in the SL alpha feedback threads and wowhead post, have literally been copy pasted from the same feedback threads and wowhead posts in BFA.
If those criticisms aren’t valid now, but have also been forgotten since last time, what’s the point of raising the issues at all?
To be clear, I’m not talking about calls to redesign the spec entirely. I’m talking about basic rotational issues like mind blast’s cooldown overlapping with void bolt which seemed so obvious to anyone who had spent any amount of time playing the spec at any point over the last 4 years that people misguidedly thought would just be fixed after having brought them up in two separate alpha cycles and multiple patches between.
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The devs do not care about shadow priests at all. It’s not as trendy or hip as mages or warlocks. It’s a hold over from the days of the “original three”. They have been purposefully making it difficult and not fun to play so people will just go play something they have worked on on, like mages and warlocks.
Such irony having an expansion named Shadowlands, and Shadow Priests are THE WORST SPEC IN IT.
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I’m happy for those specs who got posts today. We are/will be in much worse shape than they would have been if shadowlands started right now however. It is quite baffling that blizz hasn’t said ANYTHING about shadow yet. I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but gawd damn.
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A better question then if what you say is accurate, is this.
What in the actual hell have they been doing since 8.1.5?
They gave us a sub-par experience in Nazjatar (Open air / Under water zone, what the xuk?)
They gave us a sub-par 8.3. Visions was easy stuff to design compared to say Argus.
They delayed Zandas and Kul’Tirans before that. They have in all ways ‘phoned’ this expansion in. So what in the blood hell have they been doing? Buying a golden toilet for the office? That’s why I’m angry. I expect quality from Blizzard. They have not delivered.
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My concerns exactly. All of BFA has been poorly executed with the excuse that they’ve been behind, or working on Shadowlands or whatever people wanna say.
And this is all they have to show for it? I just really don’t understand what these people are getting paid to do.
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Give or take. Holy has a more reliable CC spell in Holy Word: Chastise, Psychic Scream, and Divine Force if specced into it. When I struggle with something on Discipline, I may swap to holy for the extra CC on the side.
Holy isn’t dreadful, but its survivability falls behind Discipline who causes absorb, heal, and can shield itself to tank most enemies.
I went to mmo this evening just as a random scroll to see if anything new was up… and Lo and behold some class change stuff!
I WAS SO EXCITED… and I scrolled… to see…
MORE mage stuff.
Some shaman stuff.
Warlock things.
A tiny bit of DK.
Aaaaand…
No priest.
Ugh.
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I didn’t get to play shadoworbs in mop/wod but if it felt any way as satisfying as destro of the same era then I’m on board.
I’m still chasing that satisfying feeling.
Oh it did my friend. Jesus christ do I miss MoP/WoD spriest, destro, demo, ret, enhance… actually almost every single class. Nothing is as satisfying today as MoP stormblast or lining up a devouring plague combo.
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I don’t know if you guys have seen it yet but there was a change for shadow priest in the new build.
Power infusion is now only cast on yourself and you generate 25% more insanity for its duration.
I hope to god that’s not a sign they are doubling down on Voidform mechanic. Also with the addition of the insanity generation buff why would anyone pick StM.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Holy was dead-last in leveling/world content since vanilla. Spirit Tap was never exactly the great equalizer.