Shadowlands book coming july 14

Tiffin was a character created during World of Warcraft proper!

Benedictus, Fandral.

We are playing Warcraft. This is a series build(and constantly references) events from all the games.

Because AU Doomhammer died while part of the IRON HORDE, not as part of forces that aligned with the Horde proper at the time.

Learn Horde lore first.

If you dont want Liam I could list all the others worgens the Horde have killed over the years. But that is a longer list.

Your post was belly aching about how we never lost any “gods”. Which now does not make sense because using your definition neither has the Horde!

And there were Naaru that were Alliance aligned/at least considered Alliance. O’ros was a fixture in Exodar since BC and now he is dead.

Okay. Vol’jin’s sons(plural) and wife.

Malkorok, Zaela.

We’re playing World of Warcraft.

Okay. AU Durotan. AU Draka. AU Ga’nar.

Please do.

You never lose anything, except a tree when we lost the most important city in the entire setting. We do lose gods. The Alliance never does. Infact, Dark Irons just got elemental shine when the orcs have gotten a whole zero (0) azerothian elemental lords who champion them.

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Golden isnt even the worst writer at blizzard(sad to say) that coin toss goes to Brooks and Burns.

Don’t move goalposts.

It is literally there! You complain we never lose gods but neither do the Horde using your standards! Tell me one god who the Horde have lost?

I did not state only gods, zerde.

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And yet it was part of your complaint! If your post was purely about significant Alliance characters so be it, but it is not, you included gods in it! So either change your said complain or admit neither has the Horde lost any gods as well.

P.S. the Alliance still has lost a ton of characters.

The night elves did not worship or revere Logosh. The Tauren did. Then Varian absorbed him and suddenly nelves and worgen were doing less than PG-13 things to him.

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What are you talking about? Goldrinn/Logosh are one and the same! And yes he was worship as well since at least War of the Ancients.

You should take your own advice:

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Yes they are. And night elves hated him until it was time for Varian to become his mortal avatar.

You’ve lost one character to show how powerful the villain is. We’ve lost tons.

Edit: You’ve lost two. I spaced Bolvar.

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Night elves did not hate him. I have no idea where you are getting this lore!

Amadis your the one into night elven lore. Can you deal with him about their relation with Goldrinn? I am getting something eat/ watching Ossan’s love for now.

Yes, and you only said “an alliance character” and one was presented. And now you’re moving the goalpost. Which you said people should not do.

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The Druids of the Pack were a sect of druids who followed Goldrinn. The druidic pack form, which drew on the fury of Goldrinn, was uncontrollable and therefore banned by Malfurion Stormrage. In an attempt to control it, Ralaar Fangfire tried merging Goldrinn’s essence with that of Elune by affixing one of Goldrinn’s fangs onto a staff that the moon goddess had blessed, creating the Scythe of Elune. This backfired horribly, as Goldrinn rejected the moon goddess. The druids were turned into the feral worgen instead, whom Ralaar led to seek revenge on the satyr and night elves alike. The other druids agreed that these worgen had to be locked away, and thus put them into eternal slumber beneath the Great Tree Daral’nir within the Emerald Dream.[10]

Guess I should’ve sat and thought for a couple minutes about Bolvar dying too, then. It only happened… 12? years ago.

Well I skipped most of the replies beyond the OMGERD NO TYRANDE MOAR SYLVANNAS! rants. But one I did see (sorry can’t remember who) posted about there being more story of the Darkspear and where they are at and more troll in general which is a good thing. Shadows of the Horde was a great story that focused on some of the Troll lore and I loved it, it was a nice change from Anduin can’t handle things/The Horde is Ebils.

Of course you are going to have Sylvannas involved, umm did ya watch the cinimatic for Shadowlands? Hello…Banshee ripped apart the sky? Who the heck do you think is going to be in the book? Geez. As to Tyrande we already know she’ll be featured in Shadowlands. So sick of certain posters and their ‘But muh Night Elves are so neglected!’ Give it time already, if we’ve learned anything over the past however many expansions is that stories are a long game at time and may take another expansion or so to come back around.

I think its great they are focusing on the situation with the Darkspear and the Zandalari, they ended up being more a side story in the overall reach of the current expansion, so let them shine for a bit.

The Horde is in shambles atm thanks to Sylvie noping out in a poof of smoke and are trying to establish the new pecking order (hey Lor’themar step up baby and take the reigns. Wait…no don’t, I don’t want you to die next expansion scratch that). If we get some insight as to how this new council thing is gonna work, all the better.

But come on, stop whining about Tyrande, its obvious that Sylvannas will play a part in this as she is the one who opens up the way to the Shadowlands so to expect her not to be a part of it is pretty foolish, about as foolish as sending Nathanos to have a snark off with Bwonsamdi (hint Bwom would win that hands down) and we’re getting some story for the less heard from races for once. I don’t know much about this author (never read any of her stuff) but I have some hope for something a bit different than we usually get with Christie Golden (who I do like but think her perspective is a bit too Alliance/Anduin focused anymore) so we might be pleasantly surprised in the end. Or it will be a complete sh*tshow to quote Taliesin, but who knows. Stop being so damn negative people, give it a chance.

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So they failed in MoP to discover what makes the Hordes strong, they tried to tell that story again with Saurfang’s Rebellion and now they are going to try it in a book. How unfortunate.

And while I hope there’s more to the Alliance side to the story, the fact that it occupies a single sentence makes me think their story will occupy the B plot.

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Don’t worry. If they kill Bwonsamdi they’ll probably just replace him with Vol’jin.

But I doubt they’re going to kill Bwonsamdi.

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People are complaining because Blizzard has been completely ignoring the Night Elves after Teldrassil and not concluded anything at all. They just said they got their revenge in 8.1, that’s it, there’s peace with the Horde now that didn’t make amends for anything they did and it’s over.

And it’s even more stupid that the Night Elves won’t even be featured in the new book, so that means that the closest we can get to a closure is the book at the end of Shadowlands which also seems unlikely given the theme of the expansion.

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I was gonna say a thing about Rezan, but then I realized only alliance gods have the benefit of reincarnation. They went the extra mile to say Rezan was dead.

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While I think the night elves’ issues might be brought up in the “Anduin struggling with leadership” part… I don’t think framing night elf issues as “Anduin struggling with leadership” is going to make the situation better.

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