You seem like a really angry person tbh. It just sounds like this dude wants to have skill matches without also needing to overcome the massive ilvl hurdle at the same time.
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I didnt even say tje word valor. I am talking about pvp. A catch up to pvp, to actually have properly pvp fights
Except that you’re not fixing anything. They will still be hard-stuck against boosters. That’s the point you’re not getting.
Except boosters will still find a way around that, even swapping gear after they’ve been instanced in the arena.
He’s never going to get ‘same skill’ matchmaking because it doesn’t exist. Not a single game has a good MMR system because it can be abused.
And it is a welfare system they’re suggesting. Once they’ve got their gear and realized their still hard-stuck behind boosters, they will find some other scapegoat to point at. Ranked gear is a good reward for ranked play.
The PvP scene is dying . I am afraid the current system does not work .
It was good at the beginning of the season when everyone were at the similar gear but it’s horrible situation right now .
Things can be done like making sure you don’t lose rating when faced against a once very high MMr ranked player . Anyway the problem is the gear gap is too high. They need to put back a WoD system where ppl can gear out PvP gear quickly.
Not sure why you are defending a system which is bleeding players out . If you look at queue times for BG’s we are looking at higher queue times than 8.3 the last season of BFA and we are in the first season of SL !! Something’s gotta change to get players back.
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I am fixing the problem. You are not understanding the problem. The problem isn’t “Hey I can’t climb and get rank 1 so give me rank 1”. The problem is at rock bottom rating I’m stuck against players in max gear and in order to gear up I have to beat players who can’t be beaten with this much of a gear gap. It literally takes all the skill out of PVP to tell players that if you show up slightly late to play you just cant play at all unless you buy a boost to catch up. I want the rating requirements to be gone so I can eventually get the gear and start beating the people who just win because of the gear gap. I know I won’t beat everyone. But you can’t honestly say lack of skill when the gear gap is so large and can’t be overcome by skill. It’s the entire reason why boosting is so prevalent right now. Because the only way to beat the boosters is to buy boosts.
Boosting won’t be as extreme as it is if players weren’t locked out of getting gear. Because high rated players gate keep at 1200+ so they can sell boosts. And the only way to get the gear is to beat players you don’t have the stats to beat. You can’t even begin to compare skill when they have double your damage to start with.
Same skill matchmaking doesn’t exist because the games are not based on skill to begin with. And Emnyte is right all I want is to be able to compete. The current system prevents competition. Nobody is asking for free gear. I am saying two things. If the system is so good why isn’t it used in PVE? And I don’t care about losing to boosters when I am able to get gear. I do care about it when I can’t get gear because I just lose to boosters all day. It’s not a contest of skill when someone has double your damage and 30% more hp.
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I’m going to assume you have a stake in this, because if you’re demanding that those who are sitting pretty in their rating locked gear and blocking all progression because blizzard gave them the free ride, and earning a full income of real money from selling carries and blocking progression of anyone honestly trying to do what those buddies of yours did back at the beginning of the expansion, but which (as can be seen by my link) is no longer possible…
I bet you’re looking forward to earning even more from those paid carries when those sockets balloon the current gear gap out of the the stratosphere.
It’s bad PvP design when the first people get locked in and no one else can ever compete. That’s why participation is now dropping to the lowest it has ever been. It’s mercenary and greedy of you to support paid carries as the only gearing path now.
You mean the same people that actually progressed to get their ranked gear?
What sockets? The raid sockets, that only work in the Maw?
I think your tinfoil is a bit too tight.
Who cares about Battle Grounds. Really? That’s your measurement stick, the time waiting to spam Battlegrounds?
Oh, my sides can’t take anymore of this nonsense.
It wouldn’t work in PvE to begin with, so I don’t know why your focusing on that.
And the reason you don’t care is because you can AFK in battlegrounds and collect your welfare conquest without actually participating in the arena.
Nothing you’ve stated will A) let you get gear and B) magically improve you to 2400. The ranked gear is good because it rewards people for achieving a rank and achieving that rank should feel rewarding.
Your idea of simply unlocking ranked gear will not help you. You still won’t be able to compete.
That’s the measurement of paying players who do PvP … it’s the largest base of all PvP players . You know players whose subs which keep the game running . Not sure why you don’t want more players playing 
This is my frustrations with arena exactly.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Horde/Alliance imbalance. It’s the lack of players increasing the que for one side. R~ight.
Yes, %1000 agree with this
I’m not sure you understand what the purpose of “discussion” board is friend.
Why create a thread if you have no intention of even being involved within it?
Alliance queues are 3 times they were … you must be blind to not see that PvP participation has fallen off a cliff the last 2 months .
I still get two minute ques. Not that much of an issue.
You are factually inaccurate with everything you say. I hope the boosts you buy are worth the game that is your life dying. The system would work fine in PVE. The problem is that it is so restrictive that it would kill the game. You can easily gate PVE the same as PVP. The problem, the reason it isn’t done, is because it is so bad it would immediately kill the game.
You just sit there pouring words into other peoples mouths. Then shaking with rage about the things you invented for them to say. I … am still… after multiple posts explaining this as slowly and clearly as I can… not saying that I will climb to rank 1 just because I can get gear. But I will do much better because games against boosters won’t be an auto loss before skill even gets a chance. I understand you paid for boosts and you feel really good in your paid gear and you can tell people you “earned” it. But the reality is that if you need a system to artificially prevent players from competing with you then what you’re doing probably doesn’t take any skill.
I am truly sorry that you can’t understand this fact. Nobody is asking for handouts. Do you understand that? Nobody is asking for handouts. I would still have to win to get conquest. Not afk. Because afk doesn’t win and losing doesn’t get conquest. The fact that you can sit there talking down to people while having literally not a single clue about what they are saying or how the game works is disgusting.
I am going to repeat this for you and I will try and simplify it so maybe you can understand.
Nobody is asking for welfare.
Nobody is asking for handouts.
Afk doesn’t get any conquest. Maybe you think it does because you buy boosts and can’t handle your advantage being taken away 
All that is being asked for… is removing upgrade gating. So eventually it won’t be a steam roll for boosters and I can farm the people like you who bought them and were only winning by pure gear advantage.
Just remove upgrade gating on pvp gear. I still have to farm it. I still have to win to get points.
Just remove upgrade gating on pvp gear. I still have to farm it. I still have to win to get points.
Just remove upgrade gating on pvp gear. I still have to farm it. I still have to win to get points.
Just remove upgrade gating on pvp gear. I still have to farm it. I still have to win to get points.
Just remove upgrade gating on pvp gear. I still have to farm it. I still have to win to get points.
How? You’re the one trying to argue PvP with PvE. It’s straight up embarrassing the depths you’re willing to go for welfare loot.
No you won’t. You’ll just find something else to scapegoat and then cry about it here. What’s next, raid trinkets too powerful? Need to lower that threshold so you can LFR your way to loot?
You would have to do the bare minimum of effort into getting it. You’re mad because people are talented enough to not only get the gear, but carry other people to rank.
If your skill was good as your whining, you wouldn’t have to make these pathetic posts about how hard it is for Timmy No Ranks to climb.
But… PvE is the same…
But it turns out players don’t farm it. They just afk.
Make sure you read things before quoting somebody out of context.
I state very clearly that I know how this post is going to go. Exactly as it has gone. I create the post to let other players like myself who share similar frustrations vent and discuss possible solutions. But as I stated before you CNN’d me, I don’t want to read through a wall of people screaming nonsense. Screaming nonsense is not discussion. And aside from occasionally checking for decent debate. I have no interest or time for the rage babies who can’t handle the things they worship being criticized.
That’s why I said I know how touchy pvp is. The people that pour their lives into it get insanely defensive when you talk about it in a way that challenges their narrative. Stating facts like creating artificial barriers which get exploited by high level players to prevent players who weren’t in the game first from ever climbing is a huge problem. It needs to be dealt with.
And I will explain what I did to the boost buyer. Nobody is asking for handouts. All that is being asked for is to remove rating gating. The pros will still win. They will still climb higher. But boosting will be cut down as it gradually becomes harder and harder to do. And players stuck behind the gear gate will slowly grind out the gear at a rate of roughly 1.5 pieces per week. They will slowly upgrade it instead of sitting on 15k honor for months because they can’t get past booster nation setup in the 12-1400 bracket. And the game will shake out and become more fun for everyone involved. Ironically, except for the boost buyers who are the current problem.
Finally here is one of the videos I was talking about. If Venruki can’t win at the bottom how can I? And the people he is playing against are not nearly as geared as the players now.
The rest is for @Edyta.
Look I am sorry if you are on welfare and I offended you but deflecting simple suggestions by screaming welfare without understanding what you’re talking about is just sad. You’re not proving me wrong or making a case for yourself you are just making yourself look bad.
This may be how you go about things but it isn’t how I go about it. Maybe it explains why you’re on welfare and why you’re so ashamed of yourself. I am asking for a chance. That is all. With boosters and massive gear disparity there simply is no chance.
They are not talented. You clearly don’t understand how modern gaming works lmao. The pros can’t win with such massive gear disparities. That’s why they get boosts from their friends. I have done well every single season except this one because my gear is artificially kept down. So I can’t obtain competitive gear. Since gear is such a necessity in shadowlands, no competitive gear means no competition, which means no fun. I wouldn’t do the bare minimum. That’s what I am doing right now because it’s not possible to get past the gate. So I am finishing the grind, unable to upgrade, and simply waiting for either a patch that fixes the problem or the next expansion. This is the current nature of shadowlands. People are not playing TBC because it is good. They are playing because PVP in Retail is such garbage.
Again I understand your frustrations having being boosted on WoW being the only thing you have ever achieved in life. But not all of us are like you. Some of us have skill, some have intelligence, some can fix problems you can’t even begin to understand. But you getting mad because your welfare self esteem might get taken away and you are incapable of actually earning anything isn’t helping anyone. You are not even making coherent points. You are just shaking with rage because Blizzard might take away your bottle and make you fend for yourself. And boosters might not be as willing to carry or burp you when their opponents can actually fight back. Sorry about your life man. I hope things turn around for you.
It sounds like whining but it’s actually a fair issue with the system.
In order to get better gear you need to beat players above you in rating (to get better rating).
Those with higher rating then you already have the better gear.
So to get better gear, you need to out play them AND overcome the gear difference. Essentially you need overcome thier skill AND thier gear. You can do this, but only if you are a lot better then them.
This is very hard. Other ladder/matchmaking games like StarCraft or Overwatch don’t give material advantage to players with higher ratings. Imagine a shooter where the higher rated team got extra players?!
Imagine if the AWC was run this way, where challengers had 226 item level, but the returning AWC Champion got 239 item level. Who would win? More importantly, who would want to play this?
The reason it’s this way is because arena is part of a larger MMO game and can’t just handout loot without effecting PvE. But it’s not fun.
It surprises me that they even try to push this as an esport when they can’t even implement anything new along with not balancing anything. Enough people must be playing it that it’s not a big deal, so they keep doing it to us.