Shadow Priest

Blizzard,

I just want to say thank you for ruining Shadow Priest in PVP. We have become one of the most useless classes in PVP thanks to recent tuning. I expect Shadow Priest to be one of the LEAST represented classes in PVP in 10.2. The damage is sub-par, the tier set bonus sucks, you nerfed our utility into the ground with the nerf on MD, AND… AND… and… on top of all that you have made OVERTUNED DH and DK, two of the hardest classes to go against as a shadow priest. It’s so disheartening having a main character become so useless its painful to play. Solo Shuffle as a shadow priest is unplayable. Every lobby is DH/DH or DH/DK. You guys need to seriously reconsider the tuning you’ve done to SPRIEST or this class will be dead in PVP. It’s already one of the hardest classes to play in the game… I genuinely do not understand your decisions.

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One of the least, but not the least. That would be frost DK.

It’s actually wild how far down Blizzard has managed to drag spriest from where they started in DF. Really leaning into the masochism class fantasy.

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even our tier set is built around a button that kills us

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If I was ever tasked with making an expansion Id balance it around Shadow Priest and use abilities from Cata/MoP/WoD.

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In classic era spriest melting faces

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Spriest feels alright still, step back from last season but the tier set seems pretty garbo so I suspect it’s only downhill unless we see some of those sweet buffs

None of the stats on the tier set are good. Our main stat is haste and we don’t get it really too on any item but the pants but we take crafted pants. We are super weak right now cus of it. The top shadow priest is running nothing but haste greens. Stop forcing crit and mastery down our throats

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Also… has any one fought a DH yet as shadow? It’s immolation aura talent removes your dots with out fearing. So broke

Not really the same when DK has two dps specs

Every Unh DK is just a frost dk in disguise

But m8 u’ll get like 4+4+4 extra insanity so you can devouring plague faster which isn’t fast enough to outregenerate 50k+ GCDs.

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i hate our tier alot im just gonna run good stats. the damage even with tithe catches up to u fast. u also lose good bottom talents having to invest into it.

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Wait until everyone has 4p tier while shadow gets their useless tier. It’ll feel even worse

I dropped my priest this expansion. Shadow sucks and it’s made worse by the fact that priest has no backup dps options. You either go shadow or play something else.

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i really want priest elite set but with shadow being bad im forced to heal and idk how to heal :smiley: I healed one game in shuffle at 2.2mmr and went 3-3 at 0 cr im too scared to heal again.

I came back after not playing the game at all after slands launch. I haven’t taken pvp seriously since cata, and figured that since some friends of mine were coming back to pvp, might as well start focusing on that again.

I got all my honor gear, checked out numerous builds, spent a few hours in some bg’s just getting back into the grove of things, and then queued up solo shuffle. I was excited for a casual 3’s system and that’s what I was expecting it to be at low rank, like most 3’s would be up to 1800, but holy tap dancing velociraptor: Was I ever wrong.

first off, my mmr was set at 1500 automatically after not playing any arena for basically a decade, ok, that’s fine, 1500 is generally where you would find the casuals that haven’t figured out focus macros, or arena/party targeting binds. So shouldn’t be a problem.

I was very wrong. Melee has everything and then some these days, you don’t kite any one, 3 melee dps and me on spriest was the standard it seemed, about 90+% of my games had DH’s that just tunneled one target the entire game along with their melee partner or hunter partner, and that target was almost exclusively me.

I was pretty sad to only get to about 1300 as spriest after queues would go from 11m ‘estimated’ to 30-50m actual or even worse if it was an off time. My win/loss ended up around 40%~.

As I dig more and more into what’s happened since slands, I’ve seen that shadow has been ‘reworked’ a few times, and at one point in mythic+ it was meta. But now it’s just a mess of class design, lack of defensive options, lack of cc (in comparison to the majority of classes now), dot damage is quite poor, and it seems you’re pigeonholed into slight variations of a direct damage build. Your dots are just there because other skills do more damage when they are on the target.

With all these reworks, and changes, the class has ended up worse for wear.

By the way, I had ONE match of solo shuffle where there were no hunters, no rets, no warriors, no dh, no dk. Just Spriest, Mage, aff lock, and resto druids on both teams. The game was quite a bit longer than your typical shuffle game, and it was the most fun I’ve ever had since playing 3s ins Cata. The players were decent, it wasn’t just 'mongo train X all game and win", people set up cc chains, people played intelligently, there were dispells, offensive dispells, deaths on sheeps, proper positioning and everything. It really felt like how arena felt at previous times before legion.

Sure, I love the whole void theme that they adopted for spriest, but when they completely changed the class to a builder/spender system (Shadow orbs were different, you didn’t need to stack 20+ of them before you could do something meaningful) and then tried for multiple expansions to make S2M the thing, they really just made it a different class with some similar abilities. The hybrid aspect of the class is severely lacking now, and keeps getting nerfed, the dot damage is hardly anything to gloat about, and we seem to be mostly pigeonholed into spike builds and direct damage builds.

I tried a lot of different talent set ups, things that would allow me to spend less time hard casting things, like dots applied via crash, running leech rather than speed (let’s be honest, when was the last arena game you were not slowed 70%?), avoidance enchants to help with the abundance of aoe damage, but there was only one time I ever topped damage in 3’s/shuffle, and that was when a dk/dh didn’t train me and instead trained the druid healer.

And now looking at the set bonuses that we have as a class, not just shadow, and seeing how trash they are compared to the bulk of other class sets just makes playing the class so stressful and sweaty to play vs players that would be hard stuck at 1500 prior to legion but they’re now at 2k or even higher but still clicking abilities and keyboard turning.

Man, what has this game come to for pvp, we went from having stadiums full of people watching 3v3 tourneys, to barely getting a slot at blizzcon for the biggest tourney in wow right now.

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I recommend never touching solo shuffle and just q reg 3s

It will save you headache

Cata/MoP’s had prob the best design for sp. Legion’s iteration was not that bad either. But then again the game was diff back then when classes had limited mobility, gap closures, and dmg/healing wasn’t so extreme. Its hard to re-introduce a copy of that in modern WoW’s PvP template and expect a functional spec.

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I essentially made this same post and had a good handful of people try to gaslight me into believing that Shadow was actually in a good spot right now and I’m just bad.

Thanks to OP for this post to validate to me even more that I’m not crazy. Just because people can make a spec work doesn’t mean its good enough or plays in a fun and effective way in the current standing meta.

Unholy Death Knight, Demon Hunters, and Arms Warriors dominate every single solo-shuffle lobby and I’m just sick and tired of people handwaving that they are a massive problem.

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I agree with you and I saw your post, unfortunately a lot of people think that a class that was strong at some point should never be as strong, and while I agree to a degree with that, there are cases of massive MASSIVE egregious specs/classes where they need serious changes, weather it be nerfs or buffs.

The other thing about the game is that a major change to one class can and will shift the meta for all classes. If melee had less of EVERYTHING in their kits, casters (and I mean casting spells, not just instant procs of various things) would come back in the limelight. I don’t want the meta to revolve around one or the other, and I think some hard nerfs to DH are warranted and that alone would improve the game.

I do think the game needs to revisit cds, mobility skills, gap closers, cc’s etc to better balance them, but wow has become so pve-centric (lol spriests in pve right now as well) that they’ve really not spent enough time and effort into making pvp a more enjoyable experience all around and entice new players to get into it in more ways like solo Q activities that have rewards and rating.

While we’re at it: Let’s go back to pre-legion spriest, but keep the void theme

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I blame it on someones childhood trauma.

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