ok so I watched the tourny. I’m really disappointed at how the war fought. Not a single fear our, no TCs or shouts to break stealth against the rogue, but arms really isn’t that great against casters, and who uses a shield like that? swap into reflect and go back into your main weapon! absolutely terrible players. But I don’t care how good a warrior is, they will never win against a frost mage.
The Spriest was a beast though.
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Dude, the paladin was fighting a mage, not a lock. But those tourneys aren’t really a true representation of class vs class. The frost mage will knock out any warrior from the finals, so they’ll never even compete against a lock or spriest in the end.
Retail =/= classic either. It’s obvious this dude is a retailer.
oh man, tha’s my biggest complaint with classic, a lot of class changes went into effect for TBC, as such, enhancement shaman are complete trash compared to what they were before that patch. Windfury used to be 4 extra hits, and it used to be able to proc off itself! although iirc they changed that in patch 1.6, been awhile though.
I was excited to play a shaman again, but classic isn’t even close to a close representation of what Vanilla was.
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warlock is more enjoyable. Shadow is great until it runs out of mana, then it sucks, and you will run out of mana.
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Correct. Holy paladins, or at least healing paladins, are the strongest class/spec in group PvP. They’re near unkillable. And they make everything around them near unkillable.
Contrary to popular belief, PvP is about survival much more than it is about killing blows.
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I can’t tell you how many r14 warriors I’ve plowed through like butter on both my spriest and warlock. Spriest can take A LOT of physical damage. Like a lot. All things equal the shadow priest will win.
As for warlock, if you have a succubus out the warrior is done. Any other pet and the warlock is going to have a bad time.
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A r10 priest is going to poop on warrior unless they’re naxx geared. Shield= no rage… priest kind of counters warrior dunno if you have pvp’d much in classic
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heh, oh yes, I have, including in original vanilla. R13 Spriest in SOM, first time playing a priest. T2.5+ fury wars were the only ones I would consistently lose to, I PvE but PvP is my true love.
But yes I agree, the war needs to be absolutely decked out. Arms is only worth anything if you have a pocket healer, but I think fury is still better, just faster crits, pushback and a lot more rage available.
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The real value of arms is the healing reduction from mortal strike. It’s absolutely amazing in group play against healers.
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True, definitely a group play spec.
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You may be surprised by how much output you actually get from your spell damage even on R1 flay, and it can still proc blackout. Give it a go, tho not telling ya how yo SP, just you may be surprised.
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Literally went allies for this; not even kidding you Pala is the best group PVP class, just depends on one thing…,
You need zugs that can make enough pressure to keep the mages, locks and SP’s stay well back.
If you have that, like a WSG full of jabronies, its GG well played because pala is god mode, no one is gonna stop ya.
Buuuut if I’m solo, id rather play shaman and mindlessly double tap zap some fools.
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its even worse in wPvP
If you res after dying, good luck doing anything without voidwalker bubble or felhound silence/dispel. Your opponents not going to let you get a resummon off, right after you release.
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Can any other healer compare?
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thing about hpal is that it’s dictated by dweebs not trolling and wasting their slot in my matches by playing reterino. id rather deal with hpals as horde than play with ret players as alliance 
it’s a plate healer with great buffs a way to get rid of CC, not really any other comparison honestly it is really good yea.
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If you plan on only PvPibg Spriest is ok. If you want to raid SPriest is ok if you dual spec healing. If you want to play a dps spec in both PvP and PvE Warlock edges out Priest.
Until they add rated PvP it doesn’t matter how good you are but how much you actually play.
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Yes but far less effective then reasonably well geared paladin healers. It is kinda insane how OP Pala actually is in PVP yet if you read the forums everyone tells you how garbage the class is. I think their biggest problem is that they’re trying to pretend they’re warriors or priests when they simply are not. Some say having a 2 hander is bad, but in truth its actually really good, you don’t even need massive amounts of +healing for PVP, tho it does help. I play Holy reck or Ret Reck depending on the map, for WSG Holy Reck because well… if some dingus gets the idea in his head to attack you the odds are you’re already at a full stack and the unfortunate zug is gonna get globaled… Cant do that with Priest, and that sort of performance comes at a massive cost on Ele - Resto (NS) builds because hitting the “Zap enemy now” eats mana pool like a fat kid oinking a double cheeseburger and frenchfries and you’re OOM even faster when Shaman already kinda has less efficiency than pala. Then there is the matter of BoP, Freedom, and Sac making your friendly casters less dependent on LiP, Melee on FAP and you can chain them if needed, and you have defensive cleanse that is IMO better than purge even tho you get allies crying about purge constantly.
In addition you can put Sac on literally everyone if you want, and you are effectively immune to sheep, blind, sap, freezing trap, gouge, seduce, scatter, rocket helm and nade. In WSG where consumes are chugged on the regular; this is insane OP and exactly why it was likely nerfed in TBC.
But now im just rambling…
I saw a video saying that rank decay isn’t going to be on the new servers. Does that mean the PvP gear will be more obtainable?
Spriest is almost equal to warlock in pvp, especially at late phase.
However, spriest mana issues in mind and being unable to realistically pve/raid as shadow makes warlock the clear winner imho. And this is someone who mains spriest.
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Thank you!
I went Hpal in 2019 classic and it is fantastic for pvp. But this time im going resto sham for the horde experience.