Raids should be released week 1, other wise the server first race is going to be lame.
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like they aren’t already?
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You mean things that don’t matter still won’t matter?
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I mean if it doesn’t matter to me, it shouldn’t matter to anyone.
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I thought they were being held back till week 2, what’s the difference? Afraid of more competition for world first of easy mode?
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They don’t see it as this. People with nothing to be proud of manifest pride in anything they can.
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They’re delaying raids so that raid world and server firsts are not directly reliant on speed leveling. Why do you want raid firsts to be tied to leveling firsts?
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is it really a first when they were dead over a decade ago anyways? realm and world. Like c’mon…
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Who cares? I don’t think people even care about retail world firsts anymore. Didn’t all the guilds that shot for it retire?
I think there’s titles for it in WotLK though, so people probably will care. Good luck nerds
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I mean… on your server don’t you already know like… 1-3 guilds that have a realistic shot no matter what? Some people will have millions of gold, take off from work for a month, have spreadsheet groups designed for 25 people to level at a certain pace though 5 man grinds, people outside of raids putting together profession kits, and buying up boes.
Yeah… my guild won’t be getting there. So why worry about it.
Delaying the raids actually makes it less competitive, as the guilds that speed level and no sleep will be even further ahead of any other guilds.
Their tank is defense capped, professions leveled, bought BoEs, completed rep grinds, fully gemmed / enchanted with optimal itemization. Yours just hit 80 the day before raid release, leveling casually.
Does this seem like an even playing field? Delaying raids puts more emphasis on no sleep, time off work and pushes the barrier to entry further away from most individuals to be competitive for server firsts.
By comparison, if you can both take 2 days off work and push for the server firsts before the grind kicks in, it’s much more evenly balanced. It’s a frustrating fallacy, but the reality is unless you are full commitment you will never have a chance. It’s best to lower the commitment as much as possible for anyone and everyone to have a shot.
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There is usually a good amount of people on twitch Watching the race to world first usually with more than 100k viewers.
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If they are leveling that casually, and not immediately starting the gearing grind, then they aren’t trying for server first.
People who are, and or participate in server first runs are a different breed of people. They push hard, and go hard, to ensure they are geared and ready for the raid and as optimized as possible as quickly as possible. You will never find someone in one of those world firsts, that thinks they can be geared enough or optimized enough to just casually level. However, by delaying the start of the raid, that gives people the chance to catch up and gear up. You also have to remember, pre-raid BiS isn’t that hard to attain in wrath, and the first raid isn’t challenging. On Beta it took me two days of grinding at max level to be in full pre-raid BiS. So even with a slow and casual leveling process, two weeks was more than enough time to just play a bit each day, level up, gear up, and be raid ready. So yeah, it even the playing field by delaying it. Personally, I wish it wasn’t delayed, because I would love to get a week 1 lockout of all the raids, but they are letting it go two weeks before we get in, so that more people are in there and ready to go.
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Even as we speak right now, a little under 2 months before Wrath launches, it isnt an even playing field
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As you’ve said yourself, my more casual example not actively pursuing Realm First is very likely not going to get it. So why delay?
Teams are practicing routing, practicing pulls, mapping itemization, practicing the leveling process, actively raiding Naxxramas on alternate clients, are fully Sunwell geared with large rosters of characters available.
Either go for Realm First or don’t- let’s not rot a lockout and force everyone to grind much harder pretending there’s a chance. We’ve got 15 years of history, we know what’s going to happen.
It’s the only unique race per expansion. Do you really want to start week1 of naxx raiding being a boring speed run where everyone is preraid bis?
Oh I don’t care if they release it sooner. If anything it just means I can move out of pre-bis into actual bis faster. Just don’t like that OP is trying to camouflage “I wanna raid sooner” with anything to do with world first. World first guilds are gonna be ready. Casual guilds will have a chance to be ready for a chance to try. Everyone get’s a chance with the delay. But I am also going hard at launch and will be 80 with maxed professions and pre-bis in the first few days of launch anyways. With this new dungeon system, once I have pre-raid BiS there isn’t going to be any point in me doing dungeons once I have a few raid pieces either, so pretty much as soon as raids come out, it’s gonna be time to raid log till next tier. Actually thinking about it, the main dailies are ToC, so raid logging for two tiers 
My main gripe is this actually took away from the community aspect of racing to max level raids. Instead of working with guildies/friends to find a way to get 20+ ppl to 80 asap, many of us are simply looking for the best solo route so we can try and get the RF achieve.
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This is completely un-related, but holy crap. Get Carried is a guild name I haven’t seen in probably 15 years. Is that a remake of the old Undermine guild?
It’s nax worlds first, who cares, this is the one raid that you can do naked and still win