It isn’t that servers have more people now. It is that there are FAR more raiders now. I was on a mid sized server in Vanilla. It had 4-6 total raiding guilds at any given time (1-2 Horde, 3-4 Alliance). My current server has more than that just on Horde side on a very Alliance heavy server. So yeah, this is just a flat out incorrect point. No not every guild could get the green dragons. That being said, the odds were far higher that you would back then than they are now.
They ignored “vanilla timeline integrity” the moment they released Classic on the 1.12 patch using the 1.12 itemization, skills, quests, BGs, fixes, dungeons, etc. So please, don’t come with this tired excuse.
Not at all. there are still only 3-4 raiding guilds for each faction that matter on any given server that compete for top stpots. the rest of the guilds just slug along with progression and can wait as everyone else did in classic.
Yet the timeline was still maintained regardless of starting patch. they released content and itemization based off the timeline. just because they used a unified patch witch had fewer bugs than any other patch doesn’t take away from that fact.
Point is you had to wait in vanilla for it, you will wait for it now. crying about it on forums makes you look like nothing more than a spoiled child who wants their life easier at the expense of everything else.
The design of WoW isn’t catered to your will. Accept it and move on. The only people crying about this are the ones not willing to put forth the effort because the challenge is too daunting. So they demand blizzard makes their life easier. Sorry bub, doesn’t work that way.
Fact of the matter is, there is a reward for being hardcore with classic, there is a reward for getting in the clique on your sever that camps world bosses. That is you have access to those world boss drops. If you didn’t put in the effort to be hardcore on your server, you have no right to demand blizzard to make up for your lack of effort.
P.S. I didn’t go hardcore either and if i still played wow classic, then I would be waiting just as well with no complaint.
Funny. You know nothing about whether I am a hardcore player now nor do you know how hardcore I was in Vanilla. This isn’t a hardcore thing. This is a supply thing. One class that will be consistently asked to soak does not have access to appropriate levels of gear to perform the job while also being able to sustain its primary purpose which is DPS. That was remedied in Vanilla when it became abundantly clear that guilds were not clearing the content due to, among other things, inadequate gear available to perform the required function within AQ40.
The hilarious thing about your entire post is that it also ignores the point made in the blue response. Note that in Vanilla we had to wait until Naxx. Notice what is decidedly missing in the blue response? There is a decision to be made about when they will be dropping the patterns. It doesn’t say they are waiting for phase 6. That means that the design is still being decided and that my comments can help inform that design decision. It also says that the “wait” you keep droning on about is artificial and isn’t intended to follow the original Vanilla model. If it was, we would be waiting for Naxx to get these patterns at which point they are quite useless. I know. They were quite useless for my raiding guild in Vanilla by the time they dropped as well since the number of Horde side raiding guilds had dropped to 1…mine.
Sorry bub, but comments like the blue comment definitely work this way and my commentary, along with the commentary of several others, does not agree with the current disposition. Others disagree with me and that’s perfectly fine. The ones with valid points (notably, not you), have typically come at it from the other side of the house arguing that guilds may be able to push through the final 30% without needing to heavily rely on NR gear. That’s quite possible. And if it is true, I am pretty confident that my guild will be one of the ones able to do exactly this. You know, rewards of being hardcore in classic and whatnot. But based on the math, I am not banking on it. Nor is my guild banking on it. Ultimately though, the amount and quality of gear available to me for this purpose is lacking. Anyone who can wear mail has these patterns. Only leather wearers / clothies have poor options. It was a design mistake in Vanilla and it is a design mistake now. The only real difference is that we are likely to have to live with the poor decision for a shorter amount of time this go round.
3-4 guilds competing for top spots is not the same as 3-4 guilds clearing the content with maybe 1-2 competing for dragons. On my current server, there are 2 guilds horde side that shoot for dragons and another 3-4 alliance side that do. That’s literally 5-6 guilds going for the same content that only 1-2 competed for on my mid sized server in Vanilla. The comparison is not even close.
Nah, you’re crying about it because the “trolls” have a logical stance. You don’t think it’s fair that those who put in less effort should have to wait. You probably sat back and collected unemployment during COVID-19 and all kinds of government assistance. Your stance on NR items needing to be released sooner screams it. You are the typical Entitled person that demands the government make your life easier because you don’t want to put forth the same effort as everyone else.
On that note i’m done here. No use wasting my time trying convince someone who can’t be convinced to see how wrong their stance actually is. Time to make better use of my time and accept when some people are just worthless.
We are catching up to the itemisation and talent changes present by the end of vanilla. Yes, raiding mechanics are simple as compared to modern wow but each raid was a step up than the previous one and that includes AQ.
Their itemization team was trash 15 years ago. It is “catch up gear” simply because those idiots didn’t think “hey maybe we should have that in for an instance with a bunch of nature damage.” That’s honestly why I am not convinced it was catch up gear as much as “oops” gear.
It isn’t jaded. I was there. That was literally “oh crap, we forgot to give classes that can’t wear mail craftable gear.” I wish Blizzard had the meeting notes because I guarantee that was a conversation in one of them. Hey, why can’t guilds beat Huhuran? Sir, rogues make up roughly 70% of the melee populace and they have no NR patterns. Oh. We should remedy that.
Unlike now where a ton of the melee slots are filled with DPS warriors with like 3-4 rogues, back then raids were more likely to have 6-7 rogues and only a couple DPS warriors (if they even had that many). I believe you played back then, so you know what I am talking about.
No, you’re jaded. Your posts oozes toxicity. I don’t see how you wish to start a discussion this way.
Edit: second post notably less aggressive. Sorry I jumped the gun.
Sure, it’s likely it was an oversight. I don’t agree that they were idiots, it was a different time. I still believe they were pioneers. They weren’t perfect.
You can still define it as catch up gear, as other guilds had progressed without it. Not many mind you in comparison to the entire playerbase.