Separate subscriptions, please

WoW Classic WoW Classic General Discussion
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10/24/2018 03:45 PMPosted by Xargaryen
10/24/2018 02:14 PMPosted by Medeoan
Won't happen. Why? Because it creates a barrier to marketing. It further frustrates customers who won't be willing to pay for 2 subs and wish to play both. It will also frustrate those who are willing, but would rather not.

Finally, I vote no as you have no compelling arguement. You are just borrowing trouble out of fear.


I wonder how many people will actually want to play both. A large chunk of the Classic audience doesn’t care for retail, doesn’t care about playing with people that like retail, and not going to want to listen to retail players wanting “QoL” changes.

I could be wrong but the retail people, I mean the ones that like retail, are not going to be happy with Classic.

I see that as two vastly different and incompatible target audiences.


Completely wrong, I love both games. Vanilla is a much more casual experience and I'll play retail for the higher end content.
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Wait, huh?

You want separate subs so that... 51 IQ idiots don't bully you? Am I understanding this right?

Don't get me wrong, I don't really care to see actual jerkoffs spamming Trade or General with "LUL CLASSIC F4GS PLAYING UR BABY GAME" or whatever, but I'm really confused about the name squatting issue. Unless you really badly want to be the first person on your realm named "Sephiroth" or something like the old days, I don't know where this worry comes from o_O

Very few people are going to partake in the trolling or abuse that you're talking about. And those that do, those who troll in chats will be punished with our shiny new Right-Click Report that none of us wanted. The people squatting on names... I just don't see the odds of this impacting any one person. There will be nobody named Yefang on our server whenever they come out and I pick a server. There will likely be nobody named any of my characters' names, until I get there to use those names, unless you upset a specific individual so much he or she goes out of his or her way to do that solely to you down the line.

I just don't get the concern, and thus, I don't get how the concern is so critical that you'd rather pay separate money to avoid it. I do genuinely see the benefit to having "fewer idiots" clogging up Classic and thus not falsely making the game look worse by constantly complaining it exists, but... just report them. They don't impact you. They can't. You're safe.
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I really don't give a !@#$ if BFA players come in here to try to ridicule Classic players.
I'm going to be too busy actually playing the game to see their whining.
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Yeah man, let's make it as hard as possible to even log into the game. Making it easy for people to check the game out might lead to a sustained playerbase and keep the game alive but I rather see classic die off much sooner than later. We'll show those who dare try to start playing our classic!

I do not recommend marketing.
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Heck no. If they make 2 separate subscriptions or make the subscription more expensive I'm out.
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10/24/2018 11:52 PMPosted by Yefang
I just don't get the concern, and thus, I don't get how the concern is so critical that you'd rather pay separate money to avoid it. I do genuinely see the benefit to having "fewer idiots" clogging up Classic and thus not falsely making the game look worse by constantly complaining it exists, but... just report them. They don't impact you. They can't. You're safe.


It's just tribalism. A separate sub creates a barrier so they can feel superior to the filthy tribe on the other side.
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10/25/2018 12:20 AMPosted by Chucklenuts
I really don't give a !@#$ if BFA players come in here to try to ridicule Classic players.
I'm going to be too busy actually playing the game to see their whining.


The trolls are only part of the problem. You probably will give a !@#$ when the full server you started playing on drops to a low pop server after all of the retail trials quit. Even then, a good chunk of those left will be the retail players that only play casually after finishing their WQs in BFA.

Classic isn't a lobby game, playing on a dead server sucks.
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that's all this I's about they're worried "their" identity in this fake world will be "stolen" by someone else pathetic
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10/24/2018 03:02 PMPosted by Anaramth
10/24/2018 02:14 PMPosted by Medeoan
Won't happen. Why? Because it creates a barrier to marketing. It further frustrates customers who won't be willing to pay for 2 subs and wish to play both. It will also frustrate those who are willing, but would rather not.


But it's wonderful for demographics. Two separate subs allows them to see how much overlap occurs between Classic and retail, and whether the groups that only play one or the other are larger than the overlap crowd. Those numbers get muddied when Classic is automatically bundled onto live.


No, two separate subs allow them to highlight the "failure" of Classic if it starts doing worse than Retail or vice-versa publicly. They can get the information you're talking about internally even with a combined sub (they can tell how much time players have spent in Classic vs. Retail I'm sure).

No, they'll tie Classic to Retail so that they can BUMP Retail numbers. So they can brag ("Retail now has the highest number of subscribers since Wrath!") or something because ALL those Classic players who didn't want to play Retail will be streaming back and subbing to Retail whether they like it or not (and whether they play it or not). That will only be a good thing for Blizz.
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How is subscription justified when there is no new content? it's old content. Classic should just be free. How will Blizzard cover server costs, etc.? Cash shop for server transfer, name change, etc., but they should also add cosmetics.
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10/25/2018 01:44 PMPosted by Calisa
How is subscription justified when there is no new content? it's old content. Classic should just be free. How will Blizzard cover server costs, etc.? Cash shop for server transfer, name change, etc., but they should also add cosmetics.


Everything you said here. Every. Single. Thing. You. Said. Is so terribly wrong. Please just walk away from this project. It's continuous posts like this that made wow what it is today.
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describe your objection. no new content. re-hashing of old content. free. what's wrong?
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Why should we have to buy classic a 2nd time around? I already bought it the first time, as well as many other expansions over time.

If we bought "Vanilla" in the old days IMO We should not have to re-buy the game a 2nd time..
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What differences would there be between them?

No differences as far as the realms themselves.

The free realms might see more wild population fluctuations.
The free realms might see more throwaway accounts trolling.
The free realms might see more gold-seller spam.

Since the only no-sub realm access to WOW has been trials or special offers by Blizzard, there is no good data to tell us what free realms of WOW: Classic would be like.

But, most important for the "but I pay my US$15 for WOW so I get access" is that the free realms would cost them nothing.

The paid realms would mostly see players who were unwilling to pay for game time that had anything to do with a Retail account.
The paid realms might also attract those willing to pay for WOW: Classic but not a full US$15 for an old game.
Would it be just a matter of paying to know that no one else on the realm didn't pay?

Not exactly. For me it is knowing that everyone else on the realm values WOW: Classic and is willing to show that by paying. And, really, anyone who pays could equally as well have characters on free realms to play for the times when money is short or they don't feel like paying.
I don't think Blizzard would go for that; they'll want money from everyone playing Classic.

Which implies they should try to get that money from EVERYONE, not just the people not willing to pay for Retail, right?

I'm just one individual, but Blizzard has a choice between me playing WOW: Classic for years happily paying a separate sub, or me playing WOW: Classic no longer than it takes to experience the horde-side questing I missed then quitting, and then losing an MAU playing WOW: Classic and an MAU playing HotS, because I have no desire to continue supporting Blizzard.

Blizzard may well make that choice. Guess what? I'll accept it and go my way. Until they make that choice, I'll speak up and hope to persuade them otherwise.
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i like your idea but it wont happen. Blizz WANTS people from retail to poke their noses in Classic in the hopes to retain them.
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10/25/2018 01:44 PMPosted by Calisa
How is subscription justified when there is no new content? it's old content. Classic should just be free. How will Blizzard cover server costs, etc.? Cash shop for server transfer, name change, etc., but they should also add cosmetics.


It's not just server cost. We will have GMs, tech support, and decs that fix bugs/exploits. Not to mention all the money they are spending rebuilding Classic.



10/25/2018 02:10 PMPosted by Nighlee
Why should we have to buy classic a 2nd time around? I already bought it the first time, as well as many other expansions over time.

If we bought "Vanilla" in the old days IMO We should not have to re-buy the game a 2nd time..


For the umpteenth time, You didn't buy vanilla. You bought World of Warcraft, which you still have access to. Classic will be an unupdated version of WoW. I suppose they could give players the option to revert their account back to 1.12 and give up BFA.

10/25/2018 02:41 PMPosted by Vormav
i like your idea but it wont happen. Blizz WANTS people from retail to poke their noses in Classic in the hopes to retain them.


This is my fear. Mainly because it's silly. All one has to do is look at the complaining on general to see that retail players would absolutely hate Classic. As I have said many times, tons will try it if it is free to do so, and tons of them will quit. I'm not as optimistic about how many people will actually play Classic, retail will vastly outnumber us in my opinion. By allowing retail access to our servers they will swamp us filling up our servers. Then, when they leave, we will be left with tons of dead servers.
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A fool and his money.
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10/25/2018 12:40 AMPosted by Nexius
Heck no. If they make 2 separate subscriptions or make the subscription more expensive I'm out.


"Give it to me included in what I am already paying or so help me god I won't pay for it!"
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10/25/2018 02:41 PMPosted by Vormav
i like your idea but it wont happen. Blizz WANTS people from retail to poke their noses in Classic in the hopes to retain them.


Because trial accounts have never been done with WoW before? Really? Nothing short of free with BFA sub is going to get them to "try" classic?
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Elitists in vanilla, LOL. "Got to keep the riffraff out". Peeps, you have a rude awakening ahead of ya'll.