Separate subscriptions, please

WoW Classic WoW Classic General Discussion
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Well when do you think the whole recruit a friend will come out with the whole zebra mount that was in classic.
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One time fee 40$ ok
15$ for retail 15$ for classic ok
5$ classic 0$ retail ok
15$ for retail + classic not ok dont wanna be forced to sub for a game i dont wanna play

The only ones who want 15$ combined wow sub are the guys from retail that wanna play for free.
For me best case scenario for me would be one time fee i could pay up to 50-60
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These people are afraid that they'll "accidentally" start playing retail.
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Why should we have to buy classic a 2nd time around? I already bought it the first time, as well as many other expansions over time.

If we bought "Vanilla" in the old days IMO We should not have to re-buy the game a 2nd time..

For the umpteenth time, You didn't buy vanilla. You bought World of Warcraft, which you still have access to. Classic will be an unupdated version of WoW. I suppose they could give players the option to revert their account back to 1.12 and give up BFA.

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I do not have access to the same World of Warcraft I originally paid for. No matter how you spin it sir.
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10/25/2018 03:37 PMPosted by Jamesfisk
Elitists in vanilla, LOL. "Got to keep the riffraff out". Peeps, you have a rude awakening ahead of ya'll.


“peeps”
“ya’ll”

You are one cool linguist. I am picking up what you are laying down. Solid groovy hip. Yo.

Grow up, internet edge meister poser.
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I'm gonna say it. But I think the longevity of Classic will rely heavily on how many people from Retail come over.

Old people like me only have so much time. The only audience that are guaranteed to put in the hours is the private server folks (and those that are waiting for Classic but don't play on pservers). And yeah, I know I'm generalizing.

After the trolls leave, Retail players will provide a much needed boost to the population and even to the novelty of the game where not everyone knows everything.
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I likely wont play with any kind of subscription model. A 1 time purchase is w/e to me but subscription on a 15 year old game to me is stupid. Its even more stupid when there isnt going to be new content added later on (no i dont consider later raids new content if they arent on release). I would rather purchase the game, play at my pace and finish at my pace. I see classic as a game with a beginning a middle and an end. I dont see it as a game with a beginning a middle and end for now another end for now ect.
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10/25/2018 04:13 PMPosted by Thermiss
10/25/2018 03:37 PMPosted by Jamesfisk
Elitists in vanilla, LOL. "Got to keep the riffraff out". Peeps, you have a rude awakening ahead of ya'll.


“peeps”
“ya’ll”

You are one cool linguist. I am picking up what you are laying down. Solid groovy hip. Yo.

Grow up, internet edge meister poser.


Nah, won't happen. Then again, I'm not one of the people here hyperventilating over a game, and scared spitless other people will want to play too. You know, those "others", LOL. I'm willing to bet, most of the peeps here moaning about changes, low lifes wanting to play, never actually played vanilla and really have no clue. It'll be interesting to watch. With popcorn. As they find out, the Promised Land is a hot steaming kludgy mess, filled with trolls and nasty people...just as WoW is, and always has been. I'll play it...if it's rolled into my retail account, and if there's some serious QoL upgrades.
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10/25/2018 06:08 PMPosted by Xanthak
I'm gonna say it. But I think the longevity of Classic will rely heavily on how many people from Retail come over.

Old people like me only have so much time. The only audience that are guaranteed to put in the hours is the private server folks (and those that are waiting for Classic but don't play on pservers). And yeah, I know I'm generalizing.

After the trolls leave, Retail players will provide a much needed boost to the population and even to the novelty of the game where not everyone knows everything.


That does not justify giving classic to bfa players for free. Demo period? Certainly. Permanently? That is absurd.
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10/25/2018 06:33 PMPosted by Jamesfisk
10/25/2018 04:13 PMPosted by Thermiss
...

“peeps”
“ya’ll”

You are one cool linguist. I am picking up what you are laying down. Solid groovy hip. Yo.

Grow up, internet edge meister poser.


Nah, won't happen. Then again, I'm not one of the people here hyperventilating over a game, and scared spitless other people will want to play too. You know, those "others", LOL. I'm willing to bet, most of the peeps here moaning about changes, low lifes wanting to play, never actually played vanilla and really have no clue. It'll be interesting to watch. With popcorn. As they find out, the Promised Land is a hot steaming kludgy mess, filled with trolls and nasty people...just as WoW is, and always has been. I'll play it...if it's rolled into my retail account, and if there's some serious QoL upgrades.


Shucks, I’ll really miss you.
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Unless I am mistaken Classic will have a finite number of things to do within it, with no prospects of having expansions, by my definitions a complete game.

I do not understand those who are asking for this complete game to have a subscription cost:
Would you pay to download any other video game knowing that you will be paying for the game and wanting it to have a monthly fee attached, with full knowledge that the company will never add to the contents?
From my (admittedly limited) knowledge of the whys and wherefores, if Blizzard did have a monthly fee of any sort for Classic, even a dime, they would find that the private servers would continue to appear, which would neutralize any benefit for Blizzard for building the Classic servers.
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You people are the worst. Classic is for everyone not just you.
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10/24/2018 02:14 PMPosted by Medeoan
Won't happen. Why? Because it creates a barrier to marketing. It further frustrates customers who won't be willing to pay for 2 subs and wish to play both. It will also frustrate those who are willing, but would rather not.

Finally, I vote no as you have no compelling arguement. You are just borrowing trouble out of fear.


You have no compelling argument to why there should not be a separate subscription other than you are cheap. I want them to have a separate subscription so classic can have its own developers and resources supporting it, so neither live or classic are impacted. Now that is fact and an argument
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10/25/2018 03:44 PMPosted by Yazziña
15$ for retail + classic not ok dont wanna be forced to sub for a game i dont wanna play

The only ones who want 15$ combined wow sub are the guys from retail that wanna play for free.


"Free? You do realize people will be playing for "free" anyways because of the WoW token in the retail you seem so spiteful towards, right?

I'm hoping they bundle them together, and don't give me that dribble that you're paying for "a game you don't want to play" if its a universal subscription towards their Warcraft franchise.

Seriously, it baffles me that people think a company isn't going to try to get people to play their game that has a cash shop and could potentially make them more money.

Link the fee's and it offers Blizzard the chance for people to make more money. Separate the fee's and you're just keep the population separated and then realize that some of this private server babies aren't going to want to pay a constant $15 a month and then, most likely, go back to their free-to-play private servers.

We won't know what's up until they make an actually statement on it, but I have this gut feeling that not all these "Classic WOOOO!" crowd are going to stick around if they aren't up to snuff with their private servers, or realize they'd rather not pay for, how they put it, "no new content, so it should be cheaper!"

Ugh.
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10/24/2018 02:06 PMPosted by Narya
I don't care about having to purchase Classic (one-time fee) or not.

I don't really care what the subscription fee is; I'm pretty sure it's not going to be more than $15 for Classic.

But please, Blizzard, don't bundle Classic for free with Live. Some of us aren't interested in playing live, will never be interested in playing live, and would prefer the character names we wanted weren't grabbed by retail players who just wanted to poke their heads in and yell LOL WHY ARE YOU PLAYING AN OLD GAME WHAT"S WRONG WITH YOU!!!111?

Give Live players a discount if you want. Make paying for either Classic or Retail cost $15/month but paying for both of them cost only $20. Or make them entirely separate, such that paying for both of them costs $30. Or make Classic cheaper because it's not what you care about. Just don't offer Classic free with a Retail subscription.


However deluded classic zealots might be about the millions of classic/vanilla monthly subscribers who will play the game (LOL!), Blizz won't cut off their nose to spite their face.

They won't let classic/vanilla cannibalize subs from live. They know where the most potential money is - in WoW tokens, pets and mounts sales in live.

Will there even be a cash shop in classic/vanilla?
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10/25/2018 07:58 PMPosted by Kiereco
10/25/2018 03:44 PMPosted by Yazziña
15$ for retail + classic not ok dont wanna be forced to sub for a game i dont wanna play

The only ones who want 15$ combined wow sub are the guys from retail that wanna play for free.


"Free? You do realize people will be playing for "free" anyways because of the WoW token in the retail you seem so spiteful towards, right?

I'm hoping they bundle them together, and don't give me that dribble that you're paying for "a game you don't want to play" if its a universal subscription towards their Warcraft franchise.

Seriously, it baffles me that people think a company isn't going to try to get people to play their game that has a cash shop and could potentially make them more money.

Link the fee's and it offers Blizzard the chance for people to make more money. Separate the fee's and you're just keep the population separated and then realize that some of this private server babies aren't going to want to pay a constant $15 a month and then, most likely, go back to their free-to-play private servers.

We won't know what's up until they make an actually statement on it, but I have this gut feeling that not all these "Classic WOOOO!" crowd are going to stick around if they aren't up to snuff with their private servers, or realize they'd rather not pay for, how they put it, "no new content, so it should be cheaper!"

Ugh.


If Classic has a separate subscription, Johnny may be able to spend his gold in retail on a token to convert to BNET balance to pay his sub for Classic, but that token (and the gold used to purchase it) can only pay one sub, either Classic or retail. If he wants to pay both subscriptions via tokens, he would have to purchase two tokens (spending twice as much gold), then use one for his retail cub and convert the other to BNET balance to pay his Classic sub.

Unless he wants to spend the time in retail to farm enough gold to continue to pay for two tokens, eventually he will run out of gold and no longer be able to play both for "free". Gold is nowhere as free flowing in BFA as it was in WOD or Legion, though. Farming enough gold to pay for two tokens a month may not leave much time to do anything other than farm gold, let alone spend any quality time in Classic.
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10/25/2018 06:55 PMPosted by Indupo
Unless I am mistaken Classic will have a finite number of things to do within it, with no prospects of having expansions, by my definitions a complete game.

I do not understand those who are asking for this complete game to have a subscription cost:
Would you pay to download any other video game knowing that you will be paying for the game and wanting it to have a monthly fee attached, with full knowledge that the company will never add to the contents?
From my (admittedly limited) knowledge of the whys and wherefores, if Blizzard did have a monthly fee of any sort for Classic, even a dime, they would find that the private servers would continue to appear, which would neutralize any benefit for Blizzard for building the Classic servers.


You realize an MMO costs money right? Ignoring what they are currently spending to rebuild vanilla, there will be GMs, tech support, and the programmers to fix bugs/exploits.

Vanilla private servers are already preparing to switch over to TBC once classic launches. Like retail, private servers aren't free. Just checked one of the Nost spawns, they are spending over $500/month to keep the server up. That money comes from player donations. Players that donate will pay for classic, leaving private servers without the funds to stay running. A few fun servers might stay open, but I highly doubt you will see any blizzlike servers with a meaningful population once classic launches.

And yes, classic will have no new content, just the 2 years worth that was developed over a decade ago. Still a better value than retail. I gave up on BFA after a month of casual play. I have spent well over a year each on several different vanilla projects.

You will pay for retail, but not classic. I will pay for classic, but not retail. Not sure your reasoning, mine is because I love vanilla, and hate retail.
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lol. Elitist Classic fans wanting to segregate the different playerbases behind two paywalls.
And you wonder why people don't like you or your !@#$ty opinions.
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10/25/2018 08:41 PMPosted by Giterdunn
lol. Elitist Classic fans wanting to segregate the different playerbases behind two paywalls.
And you wonder why people don't like you or your !@#$ty opinions.


I can only speak for myself, but I plan to play both Classic and retail.

That does not mean that I expect, or even want, my retail subscription to give me access to a second game -- Classic, for no additional charge. I am more than willing to pay a $15 subscription for retail and a $15 subscription for Classic.

I welcome every player who wants to accept Classic for what it IS. I simply want to share the world of Classic with people who want to be there enough to be willing to pay a separate subscription to inhabit that world.
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10/25/2018 08:41 PMPosted by Giterdunn
lol. Elitist Classic fans wanting to segregate the different playerbases behind two paywalls.
And you wonder why people don't like you or your !@#$ty opinions.


Entitled retail fans wanting everything handed to them for free?

Did I do it right?