Secret Forums Allegedly Used for Feedback

[Rabititus-shuhalo (Rabititus)]

You guys are really surprised by a company having a private forum to communicate? Lets add during a pandemic with many employees working from home.

Well, I care as much about Blizzards as they care about my Discord.

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

@Iandore-thrall

Here is what you’re ignoring: neither groups should be listened to.

So who should they be listening to? You? I think it’s a lot more complicated than that. Ignoring feedback is always a bad idea, regardless of source.

[Amani-rexxar]

We believe travelers on places they have never been…?

So… since the vast majority of GD have never done theorycrafting, or pushed high end content, we shouldn’t take their suggestions seriously?

Glad you agree.

[Yabolahan-emerald-dream]

@Iandore-thrall

riding off the coattails of all but plagiarized elements of other games

WoW has been an MMO pioneer for its entire lifetime

@Iandore-thrall

you are an mvp here, of course you will bend a knee

This is unproductive.

[Iandore-thrall]

@Jessail-terenas

@Iandore-thrall

Here is what you’re ignoring: neither groups should be listened to.

So who should they be listening to? You? I think it’s a lot more complicated than that. Ignoring feedback is always a bad idea, regardless of source.

The people, the ones paying and suffering because of bad decisions. “experts” are who you should ignore.

@Amani-rexxar

We believe travelers on places they have never been…?

So… since the vast majority of GD have never done theorycrafting, or pushed high end content, we shouldn’t take their suggestions seriously?

Glad you agree.

The point was that because someone is Good at playing piano, the reporter asks them questions of religion. We ask actors what they think of politcs, and so on.

The point being, to Paraphrase Venerable Fulton Sheen’s Essay on the topic, there is a limit to how much knowledge can transfer from one field to another.

In fact Venerable Fulton Sheen dedicates multiple chapters of the book “Old Errors and New Labels” to this very topic.

@Yabolahan-emerald-dream

@Iandore-thrall

riding off the coattails of all but plagiarized elements of other games

WoW has been an MMO pioneer for its entire lifetime

@Iandore-thrall

you are an mvp here, of course you will bend a knee

This is unproductive.

you haven’t played many games have you? or seen much media.

ever read the comic “battle chasers?” look at joe mauriera’s art (he made battlechasers). that’s just one. I read a lot of the stuff metzen does so I know what “inspired” him.

like the “mvp” fox wants to be let in to the super secret table, you want to be an “mvp”

quote my whole post:

@Iandore-thrall

@Byucknah-agamaggan

The people in those forums, from my understanding, are among the more knowledgeable, passionate, and well spoken players of this game. They know what they are taking about and from what I have read from the tweets these people are both good and thorough as well as passionate. I know people seem to hate the “1%” in WoW but honestly I would rather have the actual best of the best having more say in things than someone who has no clue what they are doing.

The problem with this is twofold (and prepare to get angry):

1. The game has always been mediocre and riding off the coattails of all but plagiarized elements of other games, but it is now nearing beyond saving due to bad design and worse implimentation. These “knowledgeable, passionate, and well spoken players of this game” have turned this game into what it is today, and that is nothing to be proud of.
2. you are an mvp here, of course you will bend a knee because you want to be “more equal” than you already thought you were “more equal” with green text.

[Grabbag-barthilas]

@Yabolahan-emerald-dream

This is unproductive.

Is he wrong though? Of course the MVP agrees with what Blizzard does.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Versath-bloodsail-buccaneers

Remember that secret forum gave us WoD. not listening to them anymore is probably the best thing Blizzard could do.

Class design and gameplay were fine in WoD, though.

The main problem with WoD was that there wasn’t much to do outside of dungeons and raids, something that was repeatedly pointed out to them by beta testers, including me.

But they ignored all of us, too.

[Normercy-aggramar (Normercy)]

If certain people were invited to partake in a forum to exchange ideas, it doesn’t mean its a secret. Its just not something you were invited to.

All of this “not fair” “secrets”, “they are against us”, “spiteful” is middle school mentality BS.

[Iandore-thrall]

I am sure the elite are glad you stick up for them so much, but the fruits of their (YES) secret (as in hidden from the public) labors are obviously bad.

[Raise-fairbanks]

The secret forums haven’t been doing a good job if that’s the case.

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

@Iandore-thrall

The people, the ones paying and suffering because of bad decisions. “experts” are who you should ignore.

You do realize that’s really really risky? Ignoring your most engaged players is how you end up with a disaster. I’m not saying to listen to them exclusively. You want to listen to all feedback. But ignoring feedback is a really really dumb thing to do. Nor should you weight feedback either way, all feedback is equal. But to assume that blizz has been actually listening, when as pointed out, they have been almost exclusively ignoring most of the highly engaged feedback both in the back channels and in the beta forums is shocking to say the least. Blizz isn’t listening to anyone.

[Byucknah-agamaggan (Byucknah)]

@Iandore-thrall

like the “mvp” fox wants to be let in to the super secret table

Where on Earth did I even imply such a thing…? Seems more like you have preconceived notions and maybe a bit of projection.

Please refrain from trying to put words in my mouth.

@Grabbag-barthilas

Is he wrong though? Of course the MVP agrees with what Blizzard does.

Where did I agree? I posted more cons than pros and even left my statement off more negative than positive…

Is admission that this is, at the end of the day, Blizzards game and their choice (which is fact, not opinion) somehow now me defending or agreeing with them…?

I was pretty blunt with my post and weighed both sides of my thoughts on it with them leaning more negative.

[Yabolahan-emerald-dream]

@Jessail-terenas

Ignoring your most engaged players is how you end up with a disaster.

Diablo Immortal?

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

They were only reading their financial report on that one… in which mobile was the fastest growing segment.

[Iandore-thrall]

@Jessail-terenas

@Iandore-thrall

The people, the ones paying and suffering because of bad decisions. “experts” are who you should ignore.

You do realize that’s really really risky? Ignoring your most engaged players is how you end up with a disaster. I’m not saying to listen to them exclusively. You want to listen to all feedback. But ignoring feedback is a really really dumb thing to do. Nor should you weight feedback either way, all feedback is equal. But to assume that blizz has been actually listening, when as pointed out, they have been almost exclusively ignoring most of the highly engaged feedback both in the back channels and in the beta forums is shocking to say the least. Blizz isn’t listening to anyone.

The most engages players are the people who play for years and do menial tasks like transmog farming all while making friends. they don’t need to be puffed up, or treated like royalty; in fact they stick around when blizzard and their secret cronies treat them like trash.

Now THAT is who I would care to listen to if I was in charge.

@Byucknah-agamaggan

@Iandore-thrall

like the “mvp” fox wants to be let in to the super secret table

Where on Earth did I even imply such a thing…? Seems more like you have preconceived notions and maybe a bit of projection.

Please refrain from trying to put words in my mouth.

both your actions and your rhetoric. I can see you got that green text by dodging and mischaracterizing.

So, for the third time, my whole point which you ignored:

@Iandore-thrall

The problem with this is twofold (and prepare to get angry):

1. The game has always been mediocre and riding off the coattails of all but plagiarized elements of other games, but it is now nearing beyond saving due to bad design and worse implimentation. These “knowledgeable, passionate, and well spoken players of this game” have turned this game into what it is today, and that is nothing to be proud of.
2. you are an mvp here, of course you will bend a knee because you want to be “more equal” than you already thought you were “more equal” with green text.

[Invinsable-proudmoore]

@Yabolahan-emerald-dream

How do you guys feel about it?

These forums are just an INN where we common folk chat amongst ourselves in the company of an NPC innkeeper who isnt even present.'Noone takes these seriously. I don’t blame blizz.

[Snikrot-silver-hand (Snikrot)]

I agree except replace me with you.

[Normercy-aggramar (Normercy)]

Grow up. I’m not sticking up for anyone. Its a game and something you didnt get invited to isnt inherently a secret. YOU just werent invited. Its not a slap in your tender face. Its just not something you were considered for. Jealousy and Bitterness are childish emotions. Move forward in life.

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

@Iandore-thrall

The most engages players are the people who play for years and do menial tasks like transmog farming all while making friends. they don’t need to be puffed up, or treated like royalty; in fact they stick around when blizzard and their secret cronies treat them like trash.

This… is complete non-sequitur, I’m out. You’re clearly not interested in constructive dialog.

[Yabolahan-emerald-dream]

Thank you for your input everyone. Sorry the DH had to derail the thread.